From jelledejong at powercraft.nl  Sun May 11 13:08:40 2008
From: jelledejong at powercraft.nl (Jelle de Jong)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:08:40 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] thunar-actions-plugin - project
	description	-	v0.1.1j
In-Reply-To: <4805CB91.5020108@powercraft.nl>
References: <4804CEAD.3010907@powercraft.nl>	<bc122a250804160044k7d2cd51fr296dcbf1725511d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4805CB91.5020108@powercraft.nl>
Message-ID: <4826D3B8.6090901@powercraft.nl>

Jelle de Jong wrote:
> samuel wrote:
>> just throw your that document on the wiki of Xfce... it will make it
>> much easier to read and to give you feedback... I for one, doesn't
>> have the time to download a zip file, unzip it, see that it's in an
>> unreadable format, etc etc...
>>
>> just my 2 pennies to help you get some input ;)
>>
>> gr,S.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jelle de Jong
>> <jelledejong at powercraft.nl> wrote:
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> I have been working with two other guys on a new thunar-plugin. As a
>>> evolution on the current thunar-uca-plugin. I created a nice document
>>> that introduce and explains the project to you all. Please take a fast
>>> look at the attached document.
>>>
>>> http://www.powercraft.nl/temp/thunar-actions-plugin-project-description-v0.1.1j.zip
>>>
>>> Currently we have some issues getting the right context menu to work,
>>> any help is really appreciated.
>>>
>>> If a wiki page is necessary, please send me a link to the page, and i
>>> will edit it. The attachment is also in available in OpenDocument Format
>>> for those who prefer.
>>>
>>> Hope to get some feedback from you all.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Jelle
>>>
> 
> Thanks Samuel,
> 
> I will greate a wiki soon, and post the link in a mail.
> 

I created a wiki page and attached images and documents on it.
http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/projects/thunar-actions-plugin

I hope a code base and install guide will be included soon...

We still got some problems creating a good framework, but we are getting 
there.

Thanks in advance,

Jelle

From denis at ceibes.org  Tue May 13 09:43:09 2008
From: denis at ceibes.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Den=EDs_Fern=E1ndez_Cabrera?=)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:43:09 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] A few issues with Thunar volume management
Message-ID: <607719920805130043y3fbf55afh84f677a757d629b0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, everyone.

I have been using Thunar for a while, and I think by far that it is
the best file manager out there --- it's fast, it's simple, and it
does what it must.

But I have a problem managing volumes with several partitions in
Thunar, using the automatic volume management provided: I have a 512MB
external HD with three partitions, which get automounted whenever I
plug it in. But:

- Whenever I unmount one of the partitions, the other ones get
unmounted too (actually, all the HD). The partition I unmounted
disapears from the location sidebar in Thunar, but not the other ones.
- If I click on one of the non-unmounted partitions, Thunar will
remount it *and* the previously unmounted partition will appear again
in the sidebar.

I have also noticed that after copying a large amount of data to this
HD (a backup of several GB) Thunar won't let me unmount the disk... or
rather, it will, but it will pop out an error saying that the disk is
busy. When I check which application is using the disk, it says that
Thunar is, even if the file copy dialog has finished its task, and
even if the red notification popup says that Thunar has finished
working with the disk. The only way I have found to unmount the disk
after one of these large backups was to kill Thunar, which would free
the disk for unmount.

Are these known bugs, or am I doing something wrong / is there
something wrong in my setup?

Thanks in advance,
Den?s.

-- 
Den?s Fern?ndez Cabrera
mailto://denis at ceibes.org
http://gatonegro.ceibes.org

From benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de  Tue May 13 10:27:45 2008
From: benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Benedikt Meurer)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:27:45 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] A few issues with Thunar volume management
In-Reply-To: <607719920805130043y3fbf55afh84f677a757d629b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <607719920805130043y3fbf55afh84f677a757d629b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48295101.7090101@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>

Den?s Fern?ndez Cabrera wrote:
> Hello, everyone.
> 
> I have been using Thunar for a while, and I think by far that it is
> the best file manager out there --- it's fast, it's simple, and it
> does what it must.
> 
> But I have a problem managing volumes with several partitions in
> Thunar, using the automatic volume management provided: I have a 512MB
> external HD with three partitions, which get automounted whenever I
> plug it in. But:
> 
> - Whenever I unmount one of the partitions, the other ones get
> unmounted too (actually, all the HD). The partition I unmounted
> disapears from the location sidebar in Thunar, but not the other ones.
> - If I click on one of the non-unmounted partitions, Thunar will
> remount it *and* the previously unmounted partition will appear again
> in the sidebar.

Yes, that's the expected behavior. Tho, it could indeed be improved.

> I have also noticed that after copying a large amount of data to this
> HD (a backup of several GB) Thunar won't let me unmount the disk... or
> rather, it will, but it will pop out an error saying that the disk is
> busy. When I check which application is using the disk, it says that
> Thunar is, even if the file copy dialog has finished its task, and
> even if the red notification popup says that Thunar has finished
> working with the disk. The only way I have found to unmount the disk
> after one of these large backups was to kill Thunar, which would free
> the disk for unmount.
> 
> Are these known bugs, or am I doing something wrong / is there
> something wrong in my setup?

D-Bus applies a timeout to all calls. If your disk is slow or has a 
large cache, it may take longer to sync than the timeout, tho unlikely. 
May also be a bug in the HAL communication, did you try with another 
file manager?

> Thanks in advance,
> Den?s.
> 

Benedikt

From gauvainpocentek at gmail.com  Tue May 13 10:33:02 2008
From: gauvainpocentek at gmail.com (Gauvain Pocentek)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:33:02 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] temporarily disable thunar-volman
Message-ID: <4829523E.8020901@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm searching for a way to disable the automounting of devices
temporarily. I use a script which creates partitions on an USB key, and
thunar mounts those partitions as soon as they are created.

Killing thunar didn't seem to do the trick.

If no solution exists, I was thinking that using an envvar (that can
easily be set anytime) to disable the plugin might be a solution (that
needs to be implemented of course).

Thanks,
Gauvain Pcoentek

From gauvainpocentek at gmail.com  Tue May 13 10:37:18 2008
From: gauvainpocentek at gmail.com (Gauvain Pocentek)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:37:18 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] temporarily disable thunar-volman
In-Reply-To: <4829523E.8020901@gmail.com>
References: <4829523E.8020901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4829533E.3030606@gmail.com>

Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm searching for a way to disable the automounting of devices
> temporarily. I use a script which creates partitions on an USB key, and
> thunar mounts those partitions as soon as they are created.
> 
> Killing thunar didn't seem to do the trick.

It did actually, but still, that's not an elegant solution...

Gauvain

From benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de  Tue May 13 11:13:37 2008
From: benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Benedikt Meurer)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:13:37 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] temporarily disable thunar-volman
In-Reply-To: <4829533E.3030606@gmail.com>
References: <4829523E.8020901@gmail.com> <4829533E.3030606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48295BC1.2020300@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>

Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm searching for a way to disable the automounting of devices
>> temporarily. I use a script which creates partitions on an USB key, and
>> thunar mounts those partitions as soon as they are created.
>>
>> Killing thunar didn't seem to do the trick.
> 
> It did actually, but still, that's not an elegant solution...

Preferences -> Advanced -> [ ] Enable Volume Management

From corsac at debian.org  Tue May 13 10:46:18 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:46:18 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] A few issues with Thunar volume management
In-Reply-To: <48295101.7090101@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
References: <607719920805130043y3fbf55afh84f677a757d629b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<48295101.7090101@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
Message-ID: <20080513084618.GA13808@molly.corsac.net>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 08:27:45AM +0000, Benedikt Meurer wrote:
> Den?s Fern?ndez Cabrera wrote:
> > Hello, everyone.
> > 
> > I have been using Thunar for a while, and I think by far that it is
> > the best file manager out there --- it's fast, it's simple, and it
> > does what it must.
> > 
> > But I have a problem managing volumes with several partitions in
> > Thunar, using the automatic volume management provided: I have a 512MB
> > external HD with three partitions, which get automounted whenever I
> > plug it in. But:
> > 
> > - Whenever I unmount one of the partitions, the other ones get
> > unmounted too (actually, all the HD). The partition I unmounted
> > disapears from the location sidebar in Thunar, but not the other ones.
> > - If I click on one of the non-unmounted partitions, Thunar will
> > remount it *and* the previously unmounted partition will appear again
> > in the sidebar.
> 
> Yes, that's the expected behavior. Tho, it could indeed be improved.

Yes, even if it clutters a bit the interface, I still think that umounting a
partition is not exactly the same thing as ejecting a device, and thus it
could deserve an independant command.

Btw, xfce4-places-plugin can do just that (it umounts without ejecting), so
one can use it to umount, and use thunar for eject. It means using two
"applications", but it's still a working workaround.

Cheers,
-- 
Yves-Alexis

From gauvainpocentek at gmail.com  Tue May 13 11:20:40 2008
From: gauvainpocentek at gmail.com (Gauvain Pocentek)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:20:40 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] temporarily disable thunar-volman
In-Reply-To: <48295BC1.2020300@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
References: <4829523E.8020901@gmail.com> <4829533E.3030606@gmail.com>
	<48295BC1.2020300@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
Message-ID: <48295D68.9070001@gmail.com>

Benedikt Meurer wrote:
> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm searching for a way to disable the automounting of devices
>>> temporarily. I use a script which creates partitions on an USB key, and
>>> thunar mounts those partitions as soon as they are created.
>>>
>>> Killing thunar didn't seem to do the trick.
>> It did actually, but still, that's not an elegant solution...
> 
> Preferences -> Advanced -> [ ] Enable Volume Management

I think I've not been clear.
I'd like to do this through a script, without changing the configuration
"manually".

Thanks.


From benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de  Tue May 13 11:29:27 2008
From: benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Benedikt Meurer)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:29:27 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] temporarily disable thunar-volman
In-Reply-To: <48295D68.9070001@gmail.com>
References: <4829523E.8020901@gmail.com>
	<4829533E.3030606@gmail.com>	<48295BC1.2020300@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
	<48295D68.9070001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48295F77.7070306@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>

Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
> Benedikt Meurer wrote:
>> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>>> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching for a way to disable the automounting of devices
>>>> temporarily. I use a script which creates partitions on an USB key, and
>>>> thunar mounts those partitions as soon as they are created.
>>>>
>>>> Killing thunar didn't seem to do the trick.
>>> It did actually, but still, that's not an elegant solution...
>> Preferences -> Advanced -> [ ] Enable Volume Management
> 
> I think I've not been clear.
> I'd like to do this through a script, without changing the configuration
> "manually".

Set the "volume.ignore" HAL property for the volumes to disable 
automounting.

> Thanks.

Benedikt

From gauvainpocentek at gmail.com  Tue May 13 11:53:40 2008
From: gauvainpocentek at gmail.com (Gauvain Pocentek)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:53:40 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] temporarily disable thunar-volman
In-Reply-To: <48295F77.7070306@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
References: <4829523E.8020901@gmail.com>	<4829533E.3030606@gmail.com>	<48295BC1.2020300@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>	<48295D68.9070001@gmail.com>
	<48295F77.7070306@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
Message-ID: <48296524.8000902@gmail.com>

Benedikt Meurer wrote:
> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>> Benedikt Meurer wrote:
>>> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>>>> Gauvain Pocentek wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm searching for a way to disable the automounting of devices
>>>>> temporarily. I use a script which creates partitions on an USB key, and
>>>>> thunar mounts those partitions as soon as they are created.
>>>>>
>>>>> Killing thunar didn't seem to do the trick.
>>>> It did actually, but still, that's not an elegant solution...
>>> Preferences -> Advanced -> [ ] Enable Volume Management
>> I think I've not been clear.
>> I'd like to do this through a script, without changing the configuration
>> "manually".
> 
> Set the "volume.ignore" HAL property for the volumes to disable 
> automounting.
> 

Thanks!

From denis at ceibes.org  Tue May 13 13:57:20 2008
From: denis at ceibes.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Den=EDs_Fern=E1ndez_Cabrera?=)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:57:20 +0200
Subject: [Thunar-dev] A few issues with Thunar volume management
In-Reply-To: <20080513084618.GA13808@molly.corsac.net>
References: <607719920805130043y3fbf55afh84f677a757d629b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<48295101.7090101@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de>
	<20080513084618.GA13808@molly.corsac.net>
Message-ID: <607719920805130457k35f39f97k515fa258d9e763ec@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/13 Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org>:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 08:27:45AM +0000, Benedikt Meurer wrote:
>  > Den?s Fern?ndez Cabrera wrote:
>  > > Hello, everyone.
>  > >
>  > > I have been using Thunar for a while, and I think by far that it is
>  > > the best file manager out there --- it's fast, it's simple, and it
>  > > does what it must.
>  > >
>  > > But I have a problem managing volumes with several partitions in
>  > > Thunar, using the automatic volume management provided: I have a 512MB
>  > > external HD with three partitions, which get automounted whenever I
>  > > plug it in. But:
>  > >
>  > > - Whenever I unmount one of the partitions, the other ones get
>  > > unmounted too (actually, all the HD). The partition I unmounted
>  > > disapears from the location sidebar in Thunar, but not the other ones.
>  > > - If I click on one of the non-unmounted partitions, Thunar will
>  > > remount it *and* the previously unmounted partition will appear again
>  > > in the sidebar.
>  >
>  > Yes, that's the expected behavior. Tho, it could indeed be improved.
>
>  Yes, even if it clutters a bit the interface, I still think that umounting a
>  partition is not exactly the same thing as ejecting a device, and thus it
>  could deserve an independant command.

I think that actually connected disks and mounted partitions should be
displayed differently by Thunar --- one good idea might be to show the
disk entry upon connection, with a structure not unlike the file tree,
where partitions are child nodes hanging from the connected disk.
Verbi gratia:

+ Disk
    |- Partition 1
    |- Partition 2

Etc.

Another thing that would improve the usability of Thunar would be to
display some sort of "eject/unmount" icon, so that a disk or a
partition can be unmounted without needing to resort to
right-clicking. In general, I think that the way MacOS X's finder does
it is quite nice (it displays a small eject symbol next to the entry
of the mounted partition in the side-panel).

This button, by the way, would also be a good indicator of wether a
partition is mounted or not --- because I think that a connected disk
should always display its partitions to the user.

As for automount, I'd say that all partitions are mounted (or
attempted to) by default, but that only one new window is opened --- a
window showing the contents of the mounted disk.

A small "eject" button near the entry of the moutned disk could also
act as a mass-unmount for all the partitions, which would be unmounted
before the disk is ejected.

I feel that my explanation is actually adding more confusion than
anything... I'll make a mockup. An image is worth a thousand words (or
so they say):
http://denis.ceibes.org/var/mockup.png

Den?s.




>  Btw, xfce4-places-plugin can do just that (it umounts without ejecting), so
>  one can use it to umount, and use thunar for eject. It means using two
>  "applications", but it's still a working workaround.
>
>  Cheers,
>  --
>  Yves-Alexis
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>  Thunar-dev at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
>



-- 
Den?s Fern?ndez Cabrera
mailto://denis at ceibes.org
http://gatonegro.ceibes.org

From ismael.luceno at gmail.com  Sat May 24 11:13:55 2008
From: ismael.luceno at gmail.com (Ismael Luceno)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:13:55 -0300
Subject: [Thunar-dev] "backup file" bug
Message-ID: <20080524061355.4fa41c99@skypalace>

?Is there some way to disable hiding backup files?, and I think it
should be applied only to files... I guess it's not that common to have
a directory named like that, but I have lots of them...

I will open a bug report...tomorrow, because right now I'm putting all
my force to keep my eyelids open XD.

-- 
Ismael Luceno
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