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Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3543] xfrun4: labels with UTF8 characters are
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------- Comment #2 from micky_hatya at ybb.ne.jp 2008-07-02 06:40 UTC -------
Created an attachment (id=1721)
--> (http://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=1721&action=view)
xfrun-dialog-bug3543.patch
I corrected it with this patch.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Wed Jul 2 09:01:26 2008
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:01:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3543] xfrun4: labels with UTF8 characters are
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------- Comment #3 from bjt23 at cornell.edu 2008-07-02 07:01 UTC -------
Committed, thanks, though this is already fixed in trunk, and there probably
won't be any new 4.4.x releases.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Thu Jul 3 19:52:07 2008
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:52:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3806] xfce4-about dialog shows and resizes
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------- Comment #7 from michael.s.gilbert at gmail.com 2008-07-03 17:52 UTC -------
> It's far from simple.
i think it is fairly simple...i think people can live with side scrolling to
view all the text (if the font size is large), but the show and resize needs to
be eliminated, and that can be done by specifying a horizontal pixel width.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Thu Jul 3 20:06:57 2008
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:06:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3806] xfce4-about dialog shows and resizes
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------- Comment #8 from bjt23 at cornell.edu 2008-07-03 18:06 UTC -------
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> > It's far from simple.
>
> i think it is fairly simple...
Well, you're wrong.
> i think people can live with side scrolling to
> view all the text (if the font size is large),
Sure, I'd agree with that.
> but the show and resize needs to be eliminated, and that can be done by
> specifying a horizontal pixel width.
And what horizontal pixel width that makes sense on everyone's display at
everyone's resolution at everyone's font size would you suggest? As I said,
calculating a sane value is not simple.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Thu Jul 3 20:39:41 2008
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3806] xfce4-about dialog shows and resizes
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------- Comment #9 from michael.s.gilbert at gmail.com 2008-07-03 18:39 UTC -------
> And what horizontal pixel width that makes sense on everyone's display at
> everyone's resolution at everyone's font size would you suggest? As I said,
> calculating a sane value is not simple.
like i said, ignore the font size, people can use the horizontal scroll if
they're using large fonts. i think you have to assume 640x480 is the minimum
resolution used nowadays. so choose a value less than 640 that fits the text
at its default font size reasonably.
besides you've hard-coded the vertical size of xfce4-about to 270 pixels, why
can't you do the same with the horizontal?
as an aside, i've been meaning to report on the problems i've been having with
xfce settings dialogs on my eeepc (which has a max res of 640x480). most of
the dialogs assume a window height larger than 480, which makes a lot of stuff
unusable. you aren't ahering to your own dogma there, why make a special case
about it here?
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Thu Jul 3 20:56:01 2008
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:56:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3806] xfce4-about dialog shows and resizes
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------- Comment #10 from bjt23 at cornell.edu 2008-07-03 18:56 UTC -------
(In reply to comment #9)
> > And what horizontal pixel width that makes sense on everyone's display at
> > everyone's resolution at everyone's font size would you suggest? As I said,
> > calculating a sane value is not simple.
>
> like i said, ignore the font size, people can use the horizontal scroll if
> they're using large fonts. i think you have to assume 640x480 is the minimum
> resolution used nowadays. so choose a value less than 640 that fits the text
> at its default font size reasonably.
There is no default font size.
> besides you've hard-coded the vertical size of xfce4-about to 270 pixels, why
> can't you do the same with the horizontal?
I didn't do that. I don't know who did, but I think that's semi-foolish.
Vertical sizing for text is a lot easier to fudge, though, esp given that no
one expects a decent-length document to fit on one 'screen' vertically.
> as an aside, i've been meaning to report on the problems i've been having with
> xfce settings dialogs on my eeepc (which has a max res of 640x480).
Please open a new bug for that. This bug is for the about dialog.
> most of
> the dialogs assume a window height larger than 480, which makes a lot of stuff
> unusable.
We've talked about this a while ago... it might be possible to add scrolled
windows to the dialogs so they can scroll, but dealing with screen heights less
than 480 is a bit... retarded.
> you aren't ahering to your own dogma there, why make a special case
> about it here?
Psh, don't give me this dogma crap. Either be useful, or don't post here at
all.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Thu Jul 3 21:19:06 2008
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:19:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3806] xfce4-about dialog shows and resizes
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------- Comment #11 from michael.s.gilbert at gmail.com 2008-07-03 19:19 UTC -------
> There is no default font size.
so, choose something that is reasonable and size the box for that. 590 pixels
works for me with 100 dpi Sans 9 fonts.
> Psh, don't give me this dogma crap. Either be useful, or don't post here at
> all.
i am trying to be useful. inflamatory statements like this are not useful.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Thu Jul 3 22:25:57 2008
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:25:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3806] xfce4-about dialog shows and resizes
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------- Comment #12 from bjt23 at cornell.edu 2008-07-03 20:25 UTC -------
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> > There is no default font size.
>
> so, choose something that is reasonable and size the box for that. 590 pixels
> works for me with 100 dpi Sans 9 fonts.
Sans 9? That's pretty small. And 'Sans' isn't useful -- that could be Arial,
Helvetica, Bitstream Vera Sans, etc. They all have different metrics (in
particular Vera is pretty wide on average compared to other sans-serif fonts).
> > Psh, don't give me this dogma crap. Either be useful, or don't post here at
> > all.
>
> i am trying to be useful. inflamatory statements like this are not useful.
Sooo sorry I responded to your inflammatory statement with one of my own.
Seriously, give it a rest.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Sat Jul 5 22:42:53 2008
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:42:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 3806] xfce4-about dialog shows and resizes
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------- Comment #13 from michael.s.gilbert at gmail.com 2008-07-05 20:42 UTC -------
> Sooo sorry I responded to your inflammatory statement with one of my own.
> Seriously, give it a rest.
my statement was not intended to be inflamatory. you misinterpreted it as
such. i chose the term dogma because its definition is "a point of view or
tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds" [1].
the intent was to guide you into considering the fact that the evidence at hand
contradicts your beliefs -- the xfce settings dialogs are statically sized, so
why can't the same be done for the about dialog (at least until there is a
better/autosizing solution)?
like i've said many times, this is a very minor issue -- and certainly not
worth getting into a heated argument over. however, it affects whether xfce
looks polished and professional, and that is important. also consider that
your actions and words on this bts very much affect xfce's image.
since it is so easy to make the change, why not just do it?
thank you for your consideration.
[1] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 7 20:52:25 2008
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:52:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4206] New: xfce-extra-icons: fails to
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Summary: xfce-extra-icons: fails to install/update index.theme
Product: Xfce
Version: 4.4.2
Platform: PC (x86)
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Medium
Component: general
AssignedTo: xfce-bugs at xfce.org
ReportedBy: duncan.gibson at xs4all.nl
On a minimal Lunar Linux system with only xfce icons/themes installed,
/usr/share/icons/gnome/index.theme is not created/updated so subsequent
calls to gtk-update-icon-cache will fail.
See also: http://bugs.lunar-linux.org/view.php?id=349
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 7 21:00:23 2008
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4206] xfce-extra-icons: fails to install/update
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------- Comment #1 from bjt23 at cornell.edu 2008-07-07 19:00 UTC -------
We don't install icons to the 'gnome' icon theme, do we? What does this have
to do with xfce?
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 7 21:09:22 2008
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Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4206] xfce-extra-icons: fails to install/update
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------- Comment #2 from bjt23 at cornell.edu 2008-07-07 19:09 UTC -------
Oh, I think I see. This definitely isn't our bug. This 'codeblocks' program
is assuming that /usr/share/icons/gnome/index.theme must exist, when there's no
reason why it should. It shouldn't be a fatal error. Bug the 'codeblocks'
people.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 7 21:56:13 2008
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:56:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4206] xfce-extra-icons: fails to install/update
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------- Comment #3 from duncan.gibson at xs4all.nl 2008-07-07 19:56 UTC -------
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> Oh, I think I see. This definitely isn't our bug.
The xfce-extra-icons module in Lunar Linux installs in /usr/share/icons/gnome
Is that a mistake? Where does xfce expect them to be installed?
> This 'codeblocks' program is assuming that /usr/share/icons/gnome/index.theme
> must exist, when there's no reason why it should. It shouldn't be a fatal
> error. Bug the 'codeblocks' people.
Already done.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 7 22:16:36 2008
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:16:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4206] xfce-extra-icons: fails to install/update
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------- Comment #4 from bjt23 at cornell.edu 2008-07-07 20:16 UTC -------
(In reply to comment #3)
>
> The xfce-extra-icons module in Lunar Linux installs in /usr/share/icons/gnome
> Is that a mistake? Where does xfce expect them to be installed?
I don't use Lunar, so I really don't know. Xfce doesn't ship a
'xfce-extra-icons' package.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:12:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4207] New: doc (code) improvements
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Summary: doc (code) improvements
Product: Xfce
Version: 4.4.2
Platform: PC (x86)
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: trivial
Priority: Medium
Component: xfce-utils
AssignedTo: xfce-bugs at xfce.org
ReportedBy: matthias.krueger at famsik.de
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14)
Gecko/20080404 Iceweasel/2.0.0.14 (Debian-2.0.0.14-2)
Build Identifier:
I noticed that the file file:///usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/index.html is not valid.
There is no doctype.
Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1. go to http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input
2. copy the content of the file /usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/index.html into the
white field
3. press "check"
Actual Results:
The validator said:
"This page is not Valid (no Doctype found)!
Result: Failed validation, 2 Errors"
Expected Results:
The validator should have said:
"This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict!
Result: Passed validation"
I made a patch:
file:///usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/index.html:
Xfce Documentation
Xfce 4.4 Documentation
The documentation for Xfce 4.4 is installed with the different
components that make up the desktop environment. As a consequence,
some of the documents listed here may not be available on your
system.
file:///usr/share/xfce4/doc/xfce-chunk.css:
body { font: "Vera Sans", "Arial", "Helvetica", "sans-serif";
margin: 2em; background-color: #F3F4F8}
h1,h2,h3,h4 { color: #11375F; }
h3 { margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 0; }
dt { margin-top: 0.2em; }
a { font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; }
a:link,a:active { color: #1A5593; }
a:visited { color: #1A5593; }
a:hover { color: #3366FF; text-decoration: underline; }
hr { background-color: #11375F; border-style: solid; }
li { list-style-type: square; }
dt { font-weight: bold; }
.programlisting { background-color: #F8F9FD; border-color: #8593B3;
border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; padding: 0.5em; }
.center { display: block;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;}
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Fri Jul 11 13:01:08 2008
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:01:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4213] New: Deprecate XfceDesktopEntry in
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Summary: Deprecate XfceDesktopEntry in libxfce4util
Product: Xfce
Version: unknown
Platform: PC (x86)
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: minor
Priority: Medium
Component: general
AssignedTo: benny at xfce.org
ReportedBy: nick at xfce.org
QAContact: jasper at xfce.org
CC: xfce-bugs at xfce.org
I think we should deprecate XfceDesktopEntry in libxfce4util. The code is only
used in some places and XfceRc is much more powerful for reading data from .ini
like files. It's also a bit confusing to provide 2 ways of reading desktop
files in the same library.
For the time we could deprecate it and replace the internal code with GKeyFile
(or XfceRc if we add a function to create a new XfceRc from data). This way we
reduce the amount of code in libxfce4util to a minimum.
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Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 2034] Add "Hibernate" Option to End session menu
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Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4233] New: compiling error libxfce4ui
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Summary: compiling error libxfce4ui
Product: Xfce
Version: 4.5.x (SVN trunk)
Platform: PC (x86)
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Medium
Component: general
AssignedTo: xfce-bugs at xfce.org
ReportedBy: wolput at onsneteindhoven.nl
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1)
Gecko/2008070206 Firefox/3.0.1
Build Identifier:
When compiling libxfce4ui (revision 27308) with gcc4.3 I get the following
error:
/src/xfce4/libxfce4ui$ make
In file included from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkspawn.h:26,
from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdk.h:52,
from xfce-execute.c:30:
/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gspawn.h:22:2: error: #error "Only can be
included directly."
make[3]: *** [libxfce4ui_1_la-xfce-execute.lo] Error 1
Reproducible: Always
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Wed Jul 16 10:29:19 2008
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:29:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4233] compiling error libxfce4ui
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------- Comment #1 from nick at xfce.org 2008-07-16 08:29 UTC -------
It looks like a problem in glib, do you have the latest unstable release of
glib installed?
Will take a look at it tonight.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 21 13:37:18 2008
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:37:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4238] New: Xfce by default has no terminal option
in the desktop
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Summary: Xfce by default has no terminal option in the desktop
Product: Xfce
Version: unknown
Platform: PC (x86)
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Medium
Component: general
AssignedTo: xfce-bugs at xfce.org
ReportedBy: gregorypierce at mac.com
If you are starting from a server distro (say ubuntu server) and you install
the distro xfce4 and gdm, what will happen is that you will get a happily
running distro with NO way to stop the xfce desktop and no way to get to a
terminal so that you can add more functionality to it (like the terminal which
is packaged separately) leaving you with a pretty busted desktop unless you can
determine the IP address of the machine. If the machine is part of a server
farm (on a virtual server) - good luck with that since you can't get to the
terminal to do ifconfig or anything else.
If xterm is available - add THAT to the menu.
If there is a way to stop the window manager and that to the logout screen.
There is no way to stop it :(
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 21 13:37:19 2008
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:37:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4239] New: Xfce by default has no terminal option
in the desktop
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Summary: Xfce by default has no terminal option in the desktop
Product: Xfce
Version: unknown
Platform: PC (x86)
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Medium
Component: general
AssignedTo: xfce-bugs at xfce.org
ReportedBy: gregorypierce at mac.com
If you are starting from a server distro (say ubuntu server) and you install
the distro xfce4 and gdm, what will happen is that you will get a happily
running distro with NO way to stop the xfce desktop and no way to get to a
terminal so that you can add more functionality to it (like the terminal which
is packaged separately) leaving you with a pretty busted desktop unless you can
determine the IP address of the machine. If the machine is part of a server
farm (on a virtual server) - good luck with that since you can't get to the
terminal to do ifconfig or anything else.
If xterm is available - add THAT to the menu.
If there is a way to stop the window manager and that to the logout screen.
There is no way to stop it :(
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 21 15:21:54 2008
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:21:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4239] Xfce by default has no terminal option in
the desktop
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------- Comment #1 from jasper at xfce.org 2008-07-21 13:21 UTC -------
1 - Talk to your distro, they need to configure Xfce correctly. There is a
terminal entry in the default Xfce menu.
2 - What do you mean, there's no way to stop it? You mean other than log
out/restart/shutdown? Why should there be?
3 - You can always do Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a console login prompt, isn't it?
4 - You can run anything you want by choosing 'Run program...' from the menu,
or pressing Alt-F2.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this is a bug in Xfce. Feel free to reopen it if
you don't agree (but please do explain why ;-).
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 21 15:39:24 2008
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4239] Xfce by default has no terminal option in
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------- Comment #2 from pollux at xfce.org 2008-07-21 13:39 UTC -------
*** Bug 4238 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4238] Xfce by default has no terminal option in
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------- Comment #1 from pollux at xfce.org 2008-07-21 13:39 UTC -------
*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 4239 ***
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 21 17:25:36 2008
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:25:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4239] Xfce by default has no terminal option in
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Resolution|INVALID |
------- Comment #3 from gregorypierce at mac.com 2008-07-21 15:25 UTC -------
1) The distro doesn't install XFCE - it is installed by the user using apt-get.
I'm assuming that the Xfce project is the one that architects the apt
repository. If that is incorrect then I will file this as a bug with the apt
team.
2) You can log out, restart, and shutdown and when you do you will get back to
the same situation as gdm will start xfce as soon as the machine is ready.
3) Is a valid solution for people who know something about Linux and don't rely
on the desktop as most users do.
4) Again, if the functionality is there to actually open a terminal in the
downloaded Xfce, how would a person know this when the install the core
application from apt? When you right click on the desktop you will get
{Settings, Accessories, Network, Help, About, Quit}. Nothing in settings
addresses it, nothing in accessories talks about the terminal/xterm etc (so to
the user - does it exist?), Network speaks to Lynx which is an application that
is called out - so why wouldn't terminal be called out - lynx is of far less
importance than being able to get to the command line, etc.
So that's why I don't agree. Functionality for the terminal should be obvious
and accessible. The only way to get terminal to show up is to download another
apt package and if you don't grab that one by default you are left with a
situation that a novice/normal user will be lost in because they won't see a
clear way to get back to a terminal to remedy the problem. I can certainly
understand that you may disagree, but this is low-hanging fruit that would make
life MUCH easier for people who are unfamiliar with Xfce or Linux in general.
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From bugzilla-daemon at xfce.org Mon Jul 21 18:13:18 2008
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:13:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Xfce-bugs] [Bug 4239] Xfce by default has no terminal option in
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Resolution| |INVALID
------- Comment #4 from pollux at xfce.org 2008-07-21 16:13 UTC -------
(In reply to comment #3)
> 1) The distro doesn't install XFCE - it is installed by the user using apt-get.
> I'm assuming that the Xfce project is the one that architects the apt
> repository. If that is incorrect then I will file this as a bug with the apt
> team.
You are indeed wrong. The apt-get repository is build by your distribution. The
Xfce project only provides tarballs containing the sources file (sometimes some
rpm packages too).
If you're not happy about what your distribution installs when you apt-get
install Xfce see with them. There is nothing the Xfce Team can do for you
except presenting some ways to reach a terminal like Jasper did.
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