From andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 16:59:31 2008
From: andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com (Andrew Robinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:59:31 -0600
Subject: Corrupted xfce for user
Message-ID: <bc36a6210804010759sa0ba26avd4d85cc3c5fee192@mail.gmail.com>

After applying an update to Xserves and restarting X, my xfce session
was corrupted. The panel would not open and all the standard icons
will not display. I deleted my sessions folder and that has fixed the
panel not starting, but none of the standard icons load. Looking at
the xorg log, it says that it can not find graphics files and says
that perhaps hicolor is not installed. Running as root, everything is
okay.

I have deleted my .local, .cache and .confit with no luck. Where else
could the corrupted files be to cause icon issues? Note that launchers
that I created with custom icons are fine, it is only the xfce
standard icons that are not being loaded

Thanks,
Andrew

From erikharrison at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 17:07:28 2008
From: erikharrison at gmail.com (Erik Harrison)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:07:28 -0400
Subject: Corrupted xfce for user
In-Reply-To: <bc36a6210804010759sa0ba26avd4d85cc3c5fee192@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc36a6210804010759sa0ba26avd4d85cc3c5fee192@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b18a5420804010807j395e506kd3cd43636287e7d1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Robinson
<andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com> wrote:
> After applying an update to Xserves and restarting X, my xfce session
>  was corrupted. The panel would not open and all the standard icons
>  will not display. I deleted my sessions folder and that has fixed the
>  panel not starting, but none of the standard icons load. Looking at
>  the xorg log, it says that it can not find graphics files and says
>  that perhaps hicolor is not installed. Running as root, everything is
>  okay.
>
>  I have deleted my .local, .cache and .confit with no luck. Where else
>  could the corrupted files be to cause icon issues? Note that launchers
>  that I created with custom icons are fine, it is only the xfce
>  standard icons that are not being loaded

Have you considered that it might not be your Xfce setup, but a
permissions issue? You did run an update, and root does work, after
all.

You could try killing the panel, and restarting it from a terminal,
and seeing if there is anything interesting in the output. If you're
more ambitious you could try an strace.

>
>  Thanks,
>  Andrew
>  _______________________________________________
>  Xfce mailing list
>  Xfce at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  http://www.xfce.org
>



-- 
Erik
"Look at me still talking when there is Science to do"

From andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 18:26:49 2008
From: andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com (Andrew Robinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:26:49 -0600
Subject: Corrupted xfce for user
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420804010807j395e506kd3cd43636287e7d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc36a6210804010759sa0ba26avd4d85cc3c5fee192@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420804010807j395e506kd3cd43636287e7d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc36a6210804010926r6ff985cdt5d706476abddb0b2@mail.gmail.com>

It is not a permissions problem. I ran it as a brand new normal user
and everything is working fine. There is something definitely
corrupted or throwing an error to cause the icons to not load for this
one user.

BTW I am running 4.4.2 on xubuntu hardy
My specific version for xfce4-session is 4.4.2-2ubuntu1

Thank you,
-Andrew

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Erik Harrison <erikharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Robinson
>  <andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > After applying an update to Xserves and restarting X, my xfce session
>  >  was corrupted. The panel would not open and all the standard icons
>  >  will not display. I deleted my sessions folder and that has fixed the
>  >  panel not starting, but none of the standard icons load. Looking at
>  >  the xorg log, it says that it can not find graphics files and says
>  >  that perhaps hicolor is not installed. Running as root, everything is
>  >  okay.
>  >
>  >  I have deleted my .local, .cache and .confit with no luck. Where else
>  >  could the corrupted files be to cause icon issues? Note that launchers
>  >  that I created with custom icons are fine, it is only the xfce
>  >  standard icons that are not being loaded
>
>  Have you considered that it might not be your Xfce setup, but a
>  permissions issue? You did run an update, and root does work, after
>  all.
>
>  You could try killing the panel, and restarting it from a terminal,
>  and seeing if there is anything interesting in the output. If you're
>  more ambitious you could try an strace.
>
>  >
>  >  Thanks,
>  >  Andrew
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  Xfce mailing list
>  >  Xfce at xfce.org
>  >  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  >  http://www.xfce.org
>  >
>
>
>
>  --
>  Erik
>  "Look at me still talking when there is Science to do"
>  _______________________________________________
>  Xfce mailing list
>  Xfce at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  http://www.xfce.org
>

From andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 18:31:44 2008
From: andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com (Andrew Robinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:31:44 -0600
Subject: Corrupted xfce for user
In-Reply-To: <bc36a6210804010926r6ff985cdt5d706476abddb0b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc36a6210804010759sa0ba26avd4d85cc3c5fee192@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420804010807j395e506kd3cd43636287e7d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc36a6210804010926r6ff985cdt5d706476abddb0b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc36a6210804010931u71086420n3caa4ab3f1c5b2fe@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, got it to work.

Before I deleted .cache, then restarted X -- didn't work
Deleted .config, then restarted X -- didn't work
Deleted .local, then restarted X -- didn't work

I just deleted all 3 at the same time and restarted X and it is
working again. Guess things really got messed up in my config somehow.

-Andrew


On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Robinson
<andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is not a permissions problem. I ran it as a brand new normal user
>  and everything is working fine. There is something definitely
>  corrupted or throwing an error to cause the icons to not load for this
>  one user.
>
>  BTW I am running 4.4.2 on xubuntu hardy
>  My specific version for xfce4-session is 4.4.2-2ubuntu1
>
>  Thank you,
>  -Andrew
>
>
>
>  On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Erik Harrison <erikharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Robinson
>  >  <andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  > After applying an update to Xserves and restarting X, my xfce session
>  >  >  was corrupted. The panel would not open and all the standard icons
>  >  >  will not display. I deleted my sessions folder and that has fixed the
>  >  >  panel not starting, but none of the standard icons load. Looking at
>  >  >  the xorg log, it says that it can not find graphics files and says
>  >  >  that perhaps hicolor is not installed. Running as root, everything is
>  >  >  okay.
>  >  >
>  >  >  I have deleted my .local, .cache and .confit with no luck. Where else
>  >  >  could the corrupted files be to cause icon issues? Note that launchers
>  >  >  that I created with custom icons are fine, it is only the xfce
>  >  >  standard icons that are not being loaded
>  >
>  >  Have you considered that it might not be your Xfce setup, but a
>  >  permissions issue? You did run an update, and root does work, after
>  >  all.
>  >
>  >  You could try killing the panel, and restarting it from a terminal,
>  >  and seeing if there is anything interesting in the output. If you're
>  >  more ambitious you could try an strace.
>  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Thanks,
>  >  >  Andrew
>  >  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  >  Xfce mailing list
>  >  >  Xfce at xfce.org
>  >  >  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  >  >  http://www.xfce.org
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  --
>  >  Erik
>  >  "Look at me still talking when there is Science to do"
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  Xfce mailing list
>  >  Xfce at xfce.org
>  >  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  >  http://www.xfce.org
>  >
>

From ToddAndMargo at verizon.net  Tue Apr  1 19:57:29 2008
From: ToddAndMargo at verizon.net (Todd and Margo Chester)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:57:29 -0700
Subject: simple x server for running XFce from a Windows client
Message-ID: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>

Hi All,

    I have a customer with a M$XP machine that has
to walk 1/2 mile (or telnet) to get to the main Linux
server.  It seems to me that there is a simple X server
that will run off of XFce to give him remote access
to the server, but I am not finding it.  Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Apr  1 20:28:03 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:28:03 -0700
Subject: simple x server for running XFce from a Windows client
In-Reply-To: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>
References: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <47F27EB3.7030803@cornell.edu>

Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
> 
>     I have a customer with a M$XP machine that has
> to walk 1/2 mile (or telnet) to get to the main Linux
> server.  It seems to me that there is a simple X server
> that will run off of XFce to give him remote access
> to the server, but I am not finding it.  Any suggestions?

I think what you really want is an X server on the WinXP machine.  Then 
you can ssh (or telnet, yuck) to the Linux server and Cygwin's xorg port 
should run on WinXP and act as your display.  This really doesn't have 
anything to do with Xfce; in this case you'd run the Cygwin X server in 
rootless mode and run no X WM or DE.  X clients will just appear on the 
WinXP machine in normal native windows.

	-brian


From damailings at mcbf.net  Tue Apr  1 20:54:36 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:54:36 -0600
Subject: simple x server for running XFce from a Windows client
In-Reply-To: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>
References: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <472d4b250804011154jede8e99x3c4e3899314e55a5@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Todd and Margo Chester
<ToddAndMargo at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>     I have a customer with a M$XP machine that has
>  to walk 1/2 mile (or telnet) to get to the main Linux
>  server.  It seems to me that there is a simple X server
>  that will run off of XFce to give him remote access
>  to the server, but I am not finding it.  Any suggestions?
>
>  Many thanks,
>  -T

I can only recommend that you look into freenx / nomachine nx, which
is a great remote access solution. From my experience, it will give
you much better results than using X remotely by itself.

~David

From grantmasterflash at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 23:20:41 2008
From: grantmasterflash at gmail.com (Grant McWilliams)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:20:41 -0700
Subject: simple x server for running XFce from a Windows client
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250804011154jede8e99x3c4e3899314e55a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>
	<472d4b250804011154jede8e99x3c4e3899314e55a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ed123fa30804011420m498fb881j46964ff7a227cfad@mail.gmail.com>

For Windows machines trying to get access to Linux Desktops this is an
excellent sollution. I use it on 60 machines around the world.. The official
NX server from nomachine works perfect but limits the number of
connections.

Grant

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM, David Mohr <damailings at mcbf.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Todd and Margo Chester
> <ToddAndMargo at verizon.net> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> >     I have a customer with a M$XP machine that has
> >  to walk 1/2 mile (or telnet) to get to the main Linux
> >  server.  It seems to me that there is a simple X server
> >  that will run off of XFce to give him remote access
> >  to the server, but I am not finding it.  Any suggestions?
> >
> >  Many thanks,
> >  -T
>
> I can only recommend that you look into freenx / nomachine nx, which
> is a great remote access solution. From my experience, it will give
> you much better results than using X remotely by itself.
>
> ~David
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>



-- 
Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use
Windows."
Now they have two problems.
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From ToddAndMargo at verizon.net  Wed Apr  2 00:09:01 2008
From: ToddAndMargo at verizon.net (Todd and Margo Chester)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:09:01 -0700
Subject: simple x server for running XFce from a Windows client
In-Reply-To: <ed123fa30804011420m498fb881j46964ff7a227cfad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>
	<472d4b250804011154jede8e99x3c4e3899314e55a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ed123fa30804011420m498fb881j46964ff7a227cfad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47F2B27D.9070606@verizon.net>


> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM, David Mohr <damailings at mcbf.net 
> <mailto:damailings at mcbf.net>> wrote:
> 
>     On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Todd and Margo Chester
>     <ToddAndMargo at verizon.net <mailto:ToddAndMargo at verizon.net>> wrote:
>      > Hi All,
>      >
>      >     I have a customer with a M$XP machine that has
>      >  to walk 1/2 mile (or telnet) to get to the main Linux
>      >  server.  It seems to me that there is a simple X server
>      >  that will run off of XFce to give him remote access
>      >  to the server, but I am not finding it.  Any suggestions?
>      >
>      >  Many thanks,
>      >  -T
> 
>     I can only recommend that you look into freenx / nomachine nx, which
>     is a great remote access solution. From my experience, it will give
>     you much better results than using X remotely by itself.
> 
>     ~David
>     _______________________________________________
>     Xfce mailing list
>     Xfce at xfce.org <mailto:Xfce at xfce.org>
>     http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>     http://www.xfce.org
> 
>Grant McWilliams wrote:
 > For Windows machines trying to get access to Linux Desktops this is an
 > excellent sollution. I use it on 60 machines around the world.. The
 > official NX server from nomachine works perfect but limits the number of
 > connections.
 >
 > Grant
 >

Awesome!  I only need two connections at the most.  Thank you!

From kangaja at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 16:01:12 2008
From: kangaja at gmail.com (Robert Keizer)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:01:12 -0600
Subject: simple x server for running XFce from a Windows client
In-Reply-To: <47F2B27D.9070606@verizon.net>
References: <47F27789.1040303@verizon.net>
	<472d4b250804011154jede8e99x3c4e3899314e55a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ed123fa30804011420m498fb881j46964ff7a227cfad@mail.gmail.com>
	<47F2B27D.9070606@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5edafc1a0804020701p39eaa28didc0a0f166ffea9e0@mail.gmail.com>

VNC works, but that has the Xsession running on the server. If your looking
for a windows xserver, try xming. It works great with putty.

On 01/04/2008, Todd and Margo Chester <ToddAndMargo at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM, David Mohr <damailings at mcbf.net
>
> > <mailto:damailings at mcbf.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Todd and Margo Chester
>
> >     <ToddAndMargo at verizon.net <mailto:ToddAndMargo at verizon.net>> wrote:
> >      > Hi All,
> >      >
> >      >     I have a customer with a M$XP machine that has
> >      >  to walk 1/2 mile (or telnet) to get to the main Linux
> >      >  server.  It seems to me that there is a simple X server
> >      >  that will run off of XFce to give him remote access
> >      >  to the server, but I am not finding it.  Any suggestions?
> >      >
> >      >  Many thanks,
> >      >  -T
> >
> >     I can only recommend that you look into freenx / nomachine nx, which
> >     is a great remote access solution. From my experience, it will give
> >     you much better results than using X remotely by itself.
> >
> >     ~David
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Xfce mailing list
>
> >     Xfce at xfce.org <mailto:Xfce at xfce.org>
>
> >     http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> >     http://www.xfce.org
> >
>
> >Grant McWilliams wrote:
>   > For Windows machines trying to get access to Linux Desktops this is an
>   > excellent sollution. I use it on 60 machines around the world.. The
>   > official NX server from nomachine works perfect but limits the number
> of
>   > connections.
>   >
>   > Grant
>   >
>
>
> Awesome!  I only need two connections at the most.  Thank you!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sat Apr  5 00:57:10 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:57:10 -0700
Subject: 4.6 roadmap of sorts
Message-ID: <47F6B246.1040904@cornell.edu>

Hey all,

Moritz was kind enough to set up a sort of roadmap page to help gather 
in one place the things that need to be done before 4.6 can be released. 
  You can see it here:
http://wiki.xfce.org/roadmap_to_46

I've filled in some information, but it's far from complete.

Devs: please fill in any information related to modules you maintain or 
work on actively.

Everyone else: Please don't edit it.  This isn't a place to nominate 
bugs or vent frustrations.  This is a place for devs to decide what's 
going to go into their modules for 4.6, and for users to get an idea of 
what's going on.

I've also added a "blocking4.6" flag to bugzilla.  Devs, you can set 
these yourselves (set them to '+').  Everyone else, you can request that 
they be set (set them to '?'), and a dev can grant or deny.  Ideally we 
can just stick a link to a bugzilla search for those flags to the "TODO 
for 4.6" sections on the roadmap to supplement the text.

	-brian

From melipse at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 20:15:26 2008
From: melipse at gmail.com (Alexandru Bucur)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:15:26 +0300
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
Message-ID: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone else had this idea.
Imho it would be a nice thing.
One such app that could integrate everything could be drupal with the
project management module (even if it's not as good as trac it does it
job nicely) + forum (yes i know that drupal's forum is a bit retarded
but then again there are some modules that make it to be decent for
normal use) + wiki (well drupal's content is something like a wiki. it
doesn't have the http://blabla.com/i-want-a-new-page thing to create a
new page but i think there's a module for that :P) + the book module
so the documentation book would be easier to update.

I could help with the migration of the smf forum to the drupal one
(even if it does mean that everybody needs to reset their password)
and i can help with the porting of articles from the wiki/book to the
drupal one.
Also i can help with the theming even if i can only code it. I I suck
at designing stuff :).
Thanks for your time.

-- 
Be Smart, Think Free, Choose OpenSource

From galette at tin.it  Sun Apr  6 22:17:42 2008
From: galette at tin.it (Alessia Moretti)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:17:42 +0200
Subject: base directory of Xfce an installation of Orage 4.5
Message-ID: <47F92FE6.3070305@tin.it>

Hello all,
I'm new of Xfce. I use Gnu/Linux since three - four years and I 've used 
mainly Mandriva distro and , sometime, *ubuntu and Suse,
almost always with KDE  enviroment.
Now I change to Xfce due an incompatibility between my old pc and the 
new KDE. I found Xfce very light and, after a little time, fully fitting 
to my needs.
Now I'd like to install the new Orage 4.5 with new features very 
interesting to me but I read this instructions in the Orage web site 
(section download) " unpack it to the same directory where your base 
Xfce is.". I'm not sure what doesn't mean exactly "base directory", 
because I usually install new package via rpm and urpmi so it' isn't 
clear to me where is the base directory of the applications. Searching 
with locate I've found some directories called Xfce like /usr/shareXfce 
or /usr/lib/Xfce.

But which of these is the "base directory"?

Excuse me for the quest, very dull for experts and maybe  connected with 
rpm package installation rather than Xfce

Thanks to all
Alessia


From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun Apr  6 22:38:52 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:38:52 -0700
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080406133852.1d863ea9@kepler>

(FYI: discussion of this nature is better suited to the xfce4-dev
list. Please follow up there.)

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:15:26 +0300 Alexandru Bucur wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone else had this idea.
> Imho it would be a nice thing.
> One such app that could integrate everything could be drupal with the
> project management module (even if it's not as good as trac it does it
> job nicely) + forum (yes i know that drupal's forum is a bit retarded
> but then again there are some modules that make it to be decent for
> normal use) + wiki (well drupal's content is something like a wiki. it
> doesn't have the http://blabla.com/i-want-a-new-page thing to create a
> new page but i think there's a module for that :P) + the book module
> so the documentation book would be easier to update.

My experience with Drupal has been nothing short of awful.  It's a
*huge* piece of software, overly complex to configure, the
permissions/rights management system is a confusing nightmare, it's
difficult to upgrade without breaking things, and tries to be too
generic such that it takes a lot of work to get the look that you want
for the website.  The in-line page editing tools are crap as well.  IMO,
Drupal is simply not an option.

I've never admin-ed a trac-based site, but from the user perspective, I
like trac.  I haven't really done a formal evaluation of it, so I don't
know if, e.g., its bug tracker has the features that we need.  I do
like that the bug tracker supports wiki-ish syntax.  I'd be interested
in looking into trac a bit more, time permitting.

> (even if it does mean that everybody needs to reset their password)

This sounds like a huge pain; I'd rather not force everyone to do this
unless it would represent a significant improvement.

> and i can help with the porting of articles from the wiki/book to the
> drupal one.
> Also i can help with the theming even if i can only code it. I I suck
> at designing stuff :).
> Thanks for your time.

Sounds like a big job.  At the risk of sounding a bit like a dick: why
should we believe that you'd follow through with this?  I don't recall
seeing you post here before (indeed, I see no posts at least as far
back as a year ago).  It's fine to suggest big ideas, but it's hard to
take them seriously without having backing from someone who we know
will follow through and commit to the time and work involved.

	-brian

From kangaja at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 22:41:20 2008
From: kangaja at gmail.com (Robert Keizer)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:41:20 -0500
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5edafc1a0804061341l762febdasc17b12156b9036ee@mail.gmail.com>

Why not use Trac at something like dev.xfce.org ? Provides seperation of
users and developers, and can also be modified to suite specific needs

Why create a project managment software by modifying drupal, when there are
others out there?

Just my two cents.

On 06/04/2008, Alexandru Bucur <melipse at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone else had this idea.
> Imho it would be a nice thing.
> One such app that could integrate everything could be drupal with the
> project management module (even if it's not as good as trac it does it
> job nicely) + forum (yes i know that drupal's forum is a bit retarded
> but then again there are some modules that make it to be decent for
> normal use) + wiki (well drupal's content is something like a wiki. it
> doesn't have the http://blabla.com/i-want-a-new-page thing to create a
> new page but i think there's a module for that :P) + the book module
> so the documentation book would be easier to update.
>
> I could help with the migration of the smf forum to the drupal one
> (even if it does mean that everybody needs to reset their password)
> and i can help with the porting of articles from the wiki/book to the
> drupal one.
> Also i can help with the theming even if i can only code it. I I suck
> at designing stuff :).
> Thanks for your time.
>
>
> --
> Be Smart, Think Free, Choose OpenSource
> _______________________________________________
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From corsac at debian.org  Sun Apr  6 22:39:59 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:39:59 +0200
Subject: base directory of Xfce an installation of Orage 4.5
In-Reply-To: <47F92FE6.3070305@tin.it>
References: <47F92FE6.3070305@tin.it>
Message-ID: <1207514399.8337.12.camel@hidalgo>

On dim, 2008-04-06 at 22:17 +0200, Alessia Moretti wrote:
> But which of these is the "base directory"?

This is the ?prefix?. Use ./configure --prefix=/usr.
-- 
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From nickschermer at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 10:26:11 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:26:11 +0200
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <5edafc1a0804061341l762febdasc17b12156b9036ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5edafc1a0804061341l762febdasc17b12156b9036ee@mail.gmail.com>
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Personally I think trac is too small for our purposes. It only
supports components and with our product/component structure in
bugzilla that will result is a huge list of components like:

Thunar/General
Thunar/Apr
Thunar/Documentation
Xfce Panel/Launcher
Xfce Panel/Icon box

Not an ideal situation if you'd ask me... Better put some time in the
git and bugzilla v3 switch. Merging the website/wiki/bugzilla/version
control isn't gone work for us, Xfce it too big for that.

Nick

From erikharrison at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 18:14:39 2008
From: erikharrison at gmail.com (Erik Harrison)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:14:39 -0400
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <4abe35490804070126kd8c7y43ea821cd7604431@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5edafc1a0804061341l762febdasc17b12156b9036ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe35490804070126kd8c7y43ea821cd7604431@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b18a5420804070914o3c86eebeq102154721d1267c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Nick Schermer <nickschermer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Personally I think trac is too small for our purposes. It only
>  supports components and with our product/component structure in
>  bugzilla that will result is a huge list of components like:
>
>  Thunar/General
>  Thunar/Apr
>  Thunar/Documentation
>  Xfce Panel/Launcher
>  Xfce Panel/Icon box
>
>  Not an ideal situation if you'd ask me... Better put some time in the
>  git and bugzilla v3 switch. Merging the website/wiki/bugzilla/version
>  control isn't gone work for us, Xfce it too big for that.

I'm one of the trac admins here at my job, we have in excess of a
100,000 lines of code spread over 6 projects with components below
them. Trac is completely sufficient, with the proper (first party)
plugins installed.

While Trac may not match our developer needs as well as bugzilla, our
size certainly isn't a barrier.

As is pretty obvious from my presence  around here of late, I don't
have much time to devote to Xfce proper, and I'm neutral on what tools
we use - but I'd be happy to discuss the merits/drawbacks of Trac,
preferably off list, as those discussions get noisy fast.

We (my company) have been very happy with Trac, on balance. Trac has
been shot down in Xfce discussions in the past for various reasons.
Some of those aren't valid in recent versions, and some are. All that
said, I'm not sure Xfce has a tools "problem" that needs to be solved.

>
>  Nick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  Xfce mailing list
>  Xfce at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  http://www.xfce.org
>



-- 
Erik
"Look at me still talking when there is Science to do"

From sofar at foo-projects.org  Mon Apr  7 18:56:37 2008
From: sofar at foo-projects.org (Kok, Auke)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:56:37 -0700
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47FA5245.9070602@foo-projects.org>

Alexandru Bucur wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone else had this idea.
> Imho it would be a nice thing.
> One such app that could integrate everything could be drupal with the
> project management module (even if it's not as good as trac it does it
> job nicely) + forum (yes i know that drupal's forum is a bit retarded
> but then again there are some modules that make it to be decent for
> normal use) + wiki (well drupal's content is something like a wiki. it
> doesn't have the http://blabla.com/i-want-a-new-page thing to create a
> new page but i think there's a module for that :P) + the book module
> so the documentation book would be easier to update.

a lot of time for what?

xfce's websites are currently easy to maintain - they don't take much time at all.
they're nicely self-contained parts which can be migrated separately and moved
around in case the need exists (like when we moved forum.xfce.org two weeks ago).

moving to drupal or any other cms would mean that the entire site needs to rebuild
from zero up. all the content needs to be moved, imported / converted and all.

In my experience with many CMS's out there (including drupal) it's never worth
doing this conversion unless you're willing to sacrifice all the flexibility that
we have right now and burn all your time.

so frankly, I oppose this idea strongly,

Auke

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Apr  7 19:19:29 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:19:29 -0700
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420804070914o3c86eebeq102154721d1267c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>	<5edafc1a0804061341l762febdasc17b12156b9036ee@mail.gmail.com>	<4abe35490804070126kd8c7y43ea821cd7604431@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420804070914o3c86eebeq102154721d1267c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47FA57A1.4050200@cornell.edu>

Erik Harrison wrote:
> 
> I'm one of the trac admins here at my job, we have in excess of a
> 100,000 lines of code spread over 6 projects with components below
> them. Trac is completely sufficient, with the proper (first party)
> plugins installed.
> 
> While Trac may not match our developer needs as well as bugzilla, our
> size certainly isn't a barrier.

Cool, good to know.

> We (my company) have been very happy with Trac, on balance. Trac has
> been shot down in Xfce discussions in the past for various reasons.
> Some of those aren't valid in recent versions, and some are.

I believe the biggest sour taste I got was when trac used to spin on the 
server making httpd eat 100% CPU and slowly consume more and more 
memory.  No one really looked into this too deeply, and it was a couple 
years ago, so I imagine the problem has likely been fixed upstream.

> All that said, I'm not sure Xfce has a tools "problem" that needs to be solved.

Excellent point.  Would we be just making busywork for ourselves by 
moving to a new infrastructure?  Are there problems (from the 
*developers'* point of view) with how are tools are set up?  Personally, 
I don't think so.  The website more or less runs itself (thanks to Nick, 
updating news is easy, and doing translations is pretty simple as well, 
among other things).  Bugzilla seems to work fine for our needs, though 
as we grow, I'd wish for tighter permissions control (bz3.0 should do 
this, when we get around to upgrading).  The wiki seems to be a decent 
success.  I don't use the forum and don't particularly care about it. 
The blog isn't used that much, but it's fine how it is (though it would 
be cool to make the blog software a secondary part of the site, and 
aggregate all the blogs there, as well as outside Xfce blogs, on the 
main blog.xfce.org page, but that requires work and I don't care that 
much).  Subversion is decent, and git-svn is a great supplement. 
Anything else?

	-brian

From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon Apr  7 19:26:02 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:26:02 -0600
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <47FA57A1.4050200@cornell.edu>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5edafc1a0804061341l762febdasc17b12156b9036ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe35490804070126kd8c7y43ea821cd7604431@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420804070914o3c86eebeq102154721d1267c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FA57A1.4050200@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <472d4b250804071026g306ee337v4c60c9deec07fb78@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> Erik Harrison wrote:
>  >
>  > I'm one of the trac admins here at my job, we have in excess of a
>  > 100,000 lines of code spread over 6 projects with components below
>  > them. Trac is completely sufficient, with the proper (first party)
>  > plugins installed.
>  >
>  > While Trac may not match our developer needs as well as bugzilla, our
>  > size certainly isn't a barrier.
>
>  Cool, good to know.
>
>
>  > We (my company) have been very happy with Trac, on balance. Trac has
>  > been shot down in Xfce discussions in the past for various reasons.
>  > Some of those aren't valid in recent versions, and some are.
>
>  I believe the biggest sour taste I got was when trac used to spin on the
>  server making httpd eat 100% CPU and slowly consume more and more
>  memory.  No one really looked into this too deeply, and it was a couple
>  years ago, so I imagine the problem has likely been fixed upstream.

I really like trac, but FYI pidgin was having very similar problems
just recently (a month or two ago). So at least with some
configurations there are still pitfalls....

~David

>  > All that said, I'm not sure Xfce has a tools "problem" that needs to be solved.
>
>  Excellent point.  Would we be just making busywork for ourselves by
>  moving to a new infrastructure?  Are there problems (from the
>  *developers'* point of view) with how are tools are set up?  Personally,
>  I don't think so.  The website more or less runs itself (thanks to Nick,
>  updating news is easy, and doing translations is pretty simple as well,
>  among other things).  Bugzilla seems to work fine for our needs, though
>  as we grow, I'd wish for tighter permissions control (bz3.0 should do
>  this, when we get around to upgrading).  The wiki seems to be a decent
>  success.  I don't use the forum and don't particularly care about it.
>  The blog isn't used that much, but it's fine how it is (though it would
>  be cool to make the blog software a secondary part of the site, and
>  aggregate all the blogs there, as well as outside Xfce blogs, on the
>  main blog.xfce.org page, but that requires work and I don't care that
>  much).  Subversion is decent, and git-svn is a great supplement.
>  Anything else?
>
>         -brian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  Xfce mailing list
>  Xfce at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  http://www.xfce.org
>

From moe at xfce.org  Mon Apr  7 19:27:16 2008
From: moe at xfce.org (Moritz Heiber)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:27:16 +0200
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <47FA57A1.4050200@cornell.edu>
References: <28f9eb3e0804061115u24e6a1b8l7a958c08f3cafad2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5edafc1a0804061341l762febdasc17b12156b9036ee@mail.gmail.com>
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	<47FA57A1.4050200@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20080407192716.4fe1398b@xfce.org>

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:19:29 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Excellent point.  Would we be just making busywork for ourselves by 
> moving to a new infrastructure?  Are there problems (from the 
> *developers'* point of view) with how are tools are set up?
> Personally, I don't think so.

I second that. I don't think discussing this any further is necessary.

Regards,

Moritz

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From melipse at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 21:09:10 2008
From: melipse at gmail.com (Alexandru Bucur)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:09:10 +0300
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
Message-ID: <28f9eb3e0804071209w3db0aa7dl3a12ef5ce650fb85@mail.gmail.com>

You all have valid points and i can't disagree with any, but lets see
if something is possible to do to atract new users and, maybe more
importantly,  more developers.
A redesign contest maybe ? I can try to theme all the
forum/wiki/site/planet/whatever with a design.

-- 
Be Smart, Think Free, Choose OpenSource

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Apr  7 21:24:06 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:24:06 -0700
Subject: Website/Forum/BugTracking Integration ?
In-Reply-To: <28f9eb3e0804071209w3db0aa7dl3a12ef5ce650fb85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f9eb3e0804071209w3db0aa7dl3a12ef5ce650fb85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47FA74D6.6060501@cornell.edu>

Alexandru Bucur wrote:
> You all have valid points and i can't disagree with any, but lets see
> if something is possible to do to atract new users and, maybe more
> importantly,  more developers.

I don't think we want to attract the kind of developers who would decide 
not to work with us because we use bugzilla and subversion.

I don't see how changing our development infrastructure has anything to 
do with attracting more users.  (And I'm not a marketing guy; I 
personally don't care about attracting more users.)

> A redesign contest maybe ? I can try to theme all the
> forum/wiki/site/planet/whatever with a design.

We *just* did a website redesign in the past year.  I don't think we 
need another one.  blog.xfce.org still needs to be rethemed for the new 
design, though, and the forum theme could use some love.

	-brian

From galette at tin.it  Mon Apr  7 22:30:01 2008
From: galette at tin.it (Alessia Moretti)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:30:01 +0200
Subject: base directory of Xfce an installation of Orage 4.5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.41.1207588774.13328.xfce@xfce.org>
References: <mailman.41.1207588774.13328.xfce@xfce.org>
Message-ID: <47FA8449.3040503@tin.it>


> From: Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org>
>
>
> On dim, 2008-04-06 at 22:17 +0200, Alessia Moretti wrote:
>   
>> But which of these is the "base directory"?
>>     
>
> This is the ?prefix?. Use ./configure --prefix=/usr.
>   

Thank you Alexis
I've tried to install Orage with your suggest but I found another 
problem probably indipendet from the "base directory" . The pkg-config 
can't find the libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 library and infact there'isn't 
such library on my system.
I search for it in the web but I found almost nothing ( 3 result with 
google) I think that the library concearns GTK but I don't where find it.

It seams quite strange

here the output of the ./configue comand

> checking for libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 >= 4.4.0... not found
> *** The required package libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 was not found on your 
> system.
> *** Please install libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 (atleast version 4.4.0) or 
> adjust
> *** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
> *** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
> *** pkg-config is able to find it.
I've tried to install the libxfcegui4-4-4 from the Mandriva Control 
Center and  it'is seamed all gone fine, but pkg-conf still dont find 
that library.

I think that the istallation directory of the lib is the standard one

bye  and thanks
Alessia

From corsac at debian.org  Mon Apr  7 22:34:33 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:34:33 +0200
Subject: base directory of Xfce an installation of Orage 4.5
In-Reply-To: <47FA8449.3040503@tin.it>
References: <mailman.41.1207588774.13328.xfce@xfce.org>
	<47FA8449.3040503@tin.it>
Message-ID: <1207600473.9361.3.camel@hidalgo>

On lun, 2008-04-07 at 22:30 +0200, Alessia Moretti wrote:
> The pkg-config 
> can't find the libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 library and infact there'isn't 
> such library on my system.

Install libxfce4mcs devel packages.
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From galette at tin.it  Mon Apr  7 23:04:03 2008
From: galette at tin.it (Alessia Moretti)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:04:03 +0200
Subject: base directory of Xfce an installation of Orage 4.5
In-Reply-To: <47FA8449.3040503@tin.it>
References: <mailman.41.1207588774.13328.xfce@xfce.org>
	<47FA8449.3040503@tin.it>
Message-ID: <47FA8C43.4070407@tin.it>

HI
I finally found /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxfce4mcs-client-1.0.pc in my 
system in the shown location. So I think I have to set the PKG_VARIABLE 
including /usr/lib/pkgconfig
but ...

I tried to set the variable

> #PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig
> # export PKG_CONFIG_PATH
> #  echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
> /usr/lib/pkgconfig
But the problem ( pkg-conf that doesn't find that library)still remains
How can I get rid oh this?

Alessia



From geraldhsiao at aol.com  Tue Apr  8 14:01:07 2008
From: geraldhsiao at aol.com (geraldhsiao@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:01:07 -0400
Subject: Assistive Technology support for Xfce
Message-ID: <8CA67875D108246-15F0-2919@MBLK-M25.sysops.aol.com>

Hi,
I developed a program which needs assistive technology support.
The program works fine in GNOME, but can't work in Xfce.
I'd turned on the session setting to launch GNOME services on startup.
But the at-spi still cannot be enabled.
Does anyone know how to turn on Xfce assistive technology?
Thank you

Gerald Hsiao
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From ariel at xtech.com.ar  Tue Apr  8 17:36:38 2008
From: ariel at xtech.com.ar (Ariel Wainer)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:36:38 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Problem with .desktop files
Message-ID: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>

Hi, this is my firs mail to this list, excuse me if this is not the right
place for it and for my bad english.
I'm having a problem with desktop launchers (*.desktop). When i click them
or try to open them with exo-open, instead of launching the desired app it
opens the .desktop file with mousepad.

I customized  serveral things in this desktop, but can't find where or how
to change this undesired behaviour.

My system is a debian etch, with these versions:

gtk2-engines-xfce   2.3.99.2-1
libxfce4mcs-client3   4.3.99.2-1
libxfce4mcs-manager3   4.3.99.2-1
libxfce4util4   4.3.99.2-1
libxfcegui4-4   4.3.99.2-1
xfce4   4.3.99.2
xfce4-artwork   0.1-1
xfce4-battery-plugin   0.4.90.2-1
xfce4-clipman-plugin   0.5.99.1-2
xfce4-cpufreq-plugin   0.2-1
xfce4-cpugraph-plugin   0.3-1
xfce4-diskperf-plugin   2.0-2
xfce4-fsguard-plugin   0.3.0-2
xfce4-genmon-plugin   2.0-2
xfce4-goodies   4.3.99.2.1
xfce4-icon-theme   4.3.99.2-1
xfce4-mailwatch-plugin   1.0.1-2
xfce4-mcs-manager   4.3.99.2-1
xfce4-mcs-plugins   4.3.99.2-1
xfce4-minicmd-plugin   0.4-2
xfce4-mount-plugin   0.4.5-2
xfce4-netload-plugin   0.4-2
xfce4-notes-plugin   1.3.99.1-1
xfce4-panel   4.3.99.2-2
xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin   1.9.1-2
xfce4-screenshooter-plugin   1.0.0-2
xfce4-sensors-plugin   0.9.0-2
xfce4-session   4.3.99.1-2
xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin   0.4.2-1
xfce4-systemload-plugin   0.4-2
xfce4-terminal   0.2.5.6rc1-2etch1
xfce4-utils   4.3.99.2-1
xfce4-verve-plugin   0.3.4-1+b1
xfce4-wavelan-plugin   0.5.3-1
xfce4-weather-plugin   0.5.99.1-2


Regards,

Ariel.


From andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 19:34:52 2008
From: andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com (Andrew Robinson)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:34:52 -0600
Subject: Problem with .desktop files
In-Reply-To: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
References: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
Message-ID: <bc36a6210804081034t2f81764cse60bdbb7024b1d33@mail.gmail.com>

Have you checked that the Exec entry of the desktop file points to a
valid executable file that is present on the search path of X?

-Andrew

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Ariel Wainer <ariel at xtech.com.ar> wrote:
> Hi, this is my firs mail to this list, excuse me if this is not the right
>  place for it and for my bad english.
>  I'm having a problem with desktop launchers (*.desktop). When i click them
>  or try to open them with exo-open, instead of launching the desired app it
>  opens the .desktop file with mousepad.
>
>  I customized  serveral things in this desktop, but can't find where or how
>  to change this undesired behaviour.
>
>  My system is a debian etch, with these versions:
>
>  gtk2-engines-xfce   2.3.99.2-1
>  libxfce4mcs-client3   4.3.99.2-1
>  libxfce4mcs-manager3   4.3.99.2-1
>  libxfce4util4   4.3.99.2-1
>  libxfcegui4-4   4.3.99.2-1
>  xfce4   4.3.99.2
>  xfce4-artwork   0.1-1
>  xfce4-battery-plugin   0.4.90.2-1
>  xfce4-clipman-plugin   0.5.99.1-2
>  xfce4-cpufreq-plugin   0.2-1
>  xfce4-cpugraph-plugin   0.3-1
>  xfce4-diskperf-plugin   2.0-2
>  xfce4-fsguard-plugin   0.3.0-2
>  xfce4-genmon-plugin   2.0-2
>  xfce4-goodies   4.3.99.2.1
>  xfce4-icon-theme   4.3.99.2-1
>  xfce4-mailwatch-plugin   1.0.1-2
>  xfce4-mcs-manager   4.3.99.2-1
>  xfce4-mcs-plugins   4.3.99.2-1
>  xfce4-minicmd-plugin   0.4-2
>  xfce4-mount-plugin   0.4.5-2
>  xfce4-netload-plugin   0.4-2
>  xfce4-notes-plugin   1.3.99.1-1
>  xfce4-panel   4.3.99.2-2
>  xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin   1.9.1-2
>  xfce4-screenshooter-plugin   1.0.0-2
>  xfce4-sensors-plugin   0.9.0-2
>  xfce4-session   4.3.99.1-2
>  xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin   0.4.2-1
>  xfce4-systemload-plugin   0.4-2
>  xfce4-terminal   0.2.5.6rc1-2etch1
>  xfce4-utils   4.3.99.2-1
>  xfce4-verve-plugin   0.3.4-1+b1
>  xfce4-wavelan-plugin   0.5.3-1
>  xfce4-weather-plugin   0.5.99.1-2
>
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Ariel.
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Xfce mailing list
>  Xfce at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  http://www.xfce.org
>

From ariel at xtech.com.ar  Tue Apr  8 20:01:41 2008
From: ariel at xtech.com.ar (Ariel Wainer)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:01:41 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Problem with .desktop files
In-Reply-To: <bc36a6210804081034t2f81764cse60bdbb7024b1d33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
	<bc36a6210804081034t2f81764cse60bdbb7024b1d33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52399.200.43.6.34.1207677701.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>

> Have you checked that the Exec entry of the desktop file points to a
> valid executable file that is present on the search path of X?
>

Yes, also tried using the absolute path to the binary:

[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=Application
Name=xterm
Comment=
Categories=Application;
Exec=/usr/bin/xterm
Icon=
Terminal=false
StartupNotify=false


From andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 20:16:04 2008
From: andrew.rw.robinson at gmail.com (Andrew Robinson)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:16:04 -0600
Subject: Problem with .desktop files
In-Reply-To: <52399.200.43.6.34.1207677701.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
References: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
	<bc36a6210804081034t2f81764cse60bdbb7024b1d33@mail.gmail.com>
	<52399.200.43.6.34.1207677701.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
Message-ID: <bc36a6210804081116q7f34daf4ra4ccda9a4283ccf9@mail.gmail.com>

You may need to restart X to apply the changes or attempt
"update-deskop-database [dir]". Did you do that?

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Ariel Wainer <ariel at xtech.com.ar> wrote:
> > Have you checked that the Exec entry of the desktop file points to a
>  > valid executable file that is present on the search path of X?
>  >
>
>  Yes, also tried using the absolute path to the binary:
>
>  [Desktop Entry]
>  Version=1.0
>  Encoding=UTF-8
>  Type=Application
>  Name=xterm
>  Comment=
>  Categories=Application;
>  Exec=/usr/bin/xterm
>  Icon=
>  Terminal=false
>  StartupNotify=false
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Xfce mailing list
>  Xfce at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  http://www.xfce.org
>

From corsac at debian.org  Wed Apr  9 00:17:52 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:17:52 +0200
Subject: Problem with .desktop files
In-Reply-To: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
References: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
Message-ID: <1207693072.9361.24.camel@hidalgo>

On mar, 2008-04-08 at 12:36 -0300, Ariel Wainer wrote:
> My system is a debian etch, with these versions:

Is this a pure Debian Etch correctly installed? Does this happen with
another (fresh) user?

Cheers,
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From ariel at xtech.com.ar  Wed Apr  9 14:28:43 2008
From: ariel at xtech.com.ar (Ariel Wainer)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:28:43 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Problem with .desktop files
In-Reply-To: <bc36a6210804081116q7f34daf4ra4ccda9a4283ccf9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
	<bc36a6210804081034t2f81764cse60bdbb7024b1d33@mail.gmail.com>
	<52399.200.43.6.34.1207677701.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
	<bc36a6210804081116q7f34daf4ra4ccda9a4283ccf9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61801.200.43.6.34.1207744123.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>

> You may need to restart X to apply the changes or attempt
> "update-deskop-database [dir]". Did you do that?

What directory should be [dir]? I tried update-deskop-database with no
parameters, restarted X and the problem persists.


From ariel at xtech.com.ar  Wed Apr  9 14:32:27 2008
From: ariel at xtech.com.ar (Ariel Wainer)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:32:27 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Problem with .desktop files
In-Reply-To: <1207693072.9361.24.camel@hidalgo>
References: <54903.200.43.6.34.1207668998.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>
	<1207693072.9361.24.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <60785.200.43.6.34.1207744347.squirrel@webmail.xtech.com.ar>

> On mar, 2008-04-08 at 12:36 -0300, Ariel Wainer wrote:
>> My system is a debian etch, with these versions:
>
> Is this a pure Debian Etch correctly installed? Does this happen with
> another (fresh) user?
>

It's a debootstraped installation with only 3 little backported apps (i
did compile them). With new users the problem persists.
I installed a fresh new debootstraped etch on another partition and the
.desktop's work. Now I'm going to start the configuration and see where it
breaks. This maybe a bug and I would like to report it with the right
information.

Thanks Yves-Alexis Perez and Andrew Robinson for your time and responses,
will keep you up to date with this issue.


From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Wed Apr  9 18:05:52 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:05:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sample plugin
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>


 	I want to try (for the umpteenth time) to see if I can figure out 
how to write a plugin.  Poking around I found that the plugin how-to on 
the wiki is empty and the only place I can find the sample plugin code is 
in the svn repository.

 	Is there an already existing archive file for this puppy 
somewhere?  I couldn't find it on the xfce4-goodies site.  Failing that, 
how the heck do you get the thing from svn?  (Yes, I know I should know 
this.  And I did many years ago.  But I'm to damn old and tired to look it 
up again).

Thanks,
Joe

P.S. Shout out to all four or five of you who remember me.  ;-)

-- 
Interesting Boring Blog - http://x-nc.blogspot.com
A combination of insight and inanity for your reading pleasure

From enrico.troeger at uvena.de  Wed Apr  9 18:20:04 2008
From: enrico.troeger at uvena.de (Enrico =?UTF-8?B?VHLDtmdlcg==?=)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:20:04 +0200
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
Message-ID: <20080409182004.b9c38f53.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:05:52 -0400 (EDT), Joe Klemmer
<klemmerj at webtrek.com> wrote:

Hi Joe,
 
>  	I want to try (for the umpteenth time) to see if I can
> figure out how to write a plugin.  Poking around I found that the
> plugin how-to on the wiki is empty and the only place I can find the
> sample plugin code is in the svn repository.
If you proceed with writing your own plugin, take some notes about what
you did, which problems you came across(like the one below) and publish
these notes somewhere.
Maybe this will already help other people who want to start writing a
plugin and/or someone will take the notes to write a howto out of them.
Just an idea.

>  	Is there an already existing archive file for this puppy 
> somewhere?  I couldn't find it on the xfce4-goodies site.  Failing
> that, how the heck do you get the thing from svn?  (Yes, I know I

Try:
svn checkout http://svn.xfce.org/svn/goodies/xfce4-sample-plugin/trunk
xfce4-sample-plugin

> P.S. Shout out to all four or five of you who remember me.  ;-)
Hehe, welcome back ;-).

Regards,
Enrico

-- 
Get my GPG key from http://www.uvena.de/pub.key
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From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 19:15:09 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:15:09 +0200
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
Message-ID: <20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>

On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 12:05:52PM -0400, Joe Klemmer wrote:
Hi Joe,

>  	I want to try (for the umpteenth time) to see if I can figure out 
> how to write a plugin.  Poking around I found that the plugin how-to on 
> the wiki is empty and the only place I can find the sample plugin code is 
> in the svn repository.

Nowai!  http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/howto/panel_plugins

>  	Is there an already existing archive file for this puppy 
> somewhere?  I couldn't find it on the xfce4-goodies site.  Failing that, 
> how the heck do you get the thing from svn?  (Yes, I know I should know 
> this.  And I did many years ago.  But I'm to damn old and tired to look it 
> up again).

Do as Enrico said, follow the svn link to the sample plugin (also
pointed on the wiki page).

> Thanks,
> Joe
> 
> P.S. Shout out to all four or five of you who remember me.  ;-)

Good luck :)
mike

From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Thu Apr 10 04:01:55 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:01:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <20080409182004.b9c38f53.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409182004.b9c38f53.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804092153230.5570@webtrek.com>

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Enrico Tr?ger wrote:

> If you proceed with writing your own plugin, take some notes about what 
> you did, which problems you came across(like the one below) and publish 
> these notes somewhere.
> Maybe this will already help other people who want to start writing a 
> plugin and/or someone will take the notes to write a howto out of them. 
> Just an idea.

 	Hey, if I happen to figure anything out I'd be more than happy to 
share anything and everything.

> Try:
> svn checkout http://svn.xfce.org/svn/goodies/xfce4-sample-plugin/trunk
> xfce4-sample-plugin

 	That worked.  Now to fight with autogen and company.  It's kinda 
funny...  The whole build process with auto* is great for users who build 
their stuff but seems like a serious pain for developers.  But then I'm 
just massivly lazy.

>> P.S. Shout out to all four or five of you who remember me.  ;-)
>
> Hehe, welcome back ;-).

 	I guess that makes six then.  :-)

Joe

-- 
Interesting Boring Blog - http://x-nc.blogspot.com
A combination of insight and inanity for your reading pleasure

From sofar at foo-projects.org  Thu Apr 10 11:20:01 2008
From: sofar at foo-projects.org (sofar@foo-projects.org)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:20:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Xfce ML FAQ
Message-ID: <20080410092001.444B2F29F0@doppio.foo-projects.org>

Hi!

Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you
with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce
answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support
or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent
periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users.

You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this
mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups.
Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to
the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom).


Index:

o General mailinglist information
o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
o So what if I need help?
o I've read the websites and I still need help!
o No disclaimers please
o Quoting style?
o What about you guys?
o Most commonly asked questions
o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer



o General mailinglist information

The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers
(foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions
and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the
mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists:

View all lists:         http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo
Subscribe/Unsubscribe:  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
Online Archive:         http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce


o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)

There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing
list for Xfce is "xfce at xfce.org". This is the typical list to discuss
problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and
tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user.

If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the
development mailing list "xfce4-dev at xfce.org". There is an obsolete list
called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on
xfce version 4 this list is not used.

Specific lists also exist for translations (xfce-i18n at xfce.org),
announcements from the Xfce team (xfce-announce at xfce.org), commits and
autogenerated messages (xfce4-commits at xfce.org, xfce-bugs at xfce.org).

Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them
are not hosted on foo-projects.org:

xfc:          xfc-dev at xfce.org
thunar:       thunar-dev at xfce.org
xfce goodies: goodies-dev at xfce.org


o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?

+ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops
the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the
Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce
libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications
such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -> http://xfce.org/

+ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all
over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations
to the Xfce components. -> http://i18n.xfce.org/

+ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered
an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at
http://goodies.xfce.org/ and hosts a public SVN repository.  Everyone is
welcome to contribute his Xfce application here!

+ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have
contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too
large (xfc -> http://xfc.xfce.org/, pyxfce -> http://pyxfce.xfce.org/)
to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on
the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -> http://directory.xfce.org/


o So what if I need help?

Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you
can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that
are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them:

Official documentation: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/
User Forum:             http://forum.xfce.org/
IRC channel:            irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce
Wiki:                   http://wiki.xfce.org/
Bugreports:             http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
List archives:          http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce

Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you:

http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq


o I've read the websites and I still need help!

Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your
question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong
way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you
want as quickly as possible:

+ Do some research first
+ Ask the right people
+ When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation
+ When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly
+ Use english
+ Be specific and detailed (but not too much)
+ Re-post the solution so others can learn

If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't
be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions!

There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most
senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent
ML poster as it explains _why_ we write this way in a really good way:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you
will understand much better how to get your question answered.


o No disclaimers please

If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is
automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it.
If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a
free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.).  Note that such a disclaimer
means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with
public archives.  Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your
message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when
messages are replied to repeatedly.  Remember that you're posting to
a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their
time unnecessarily.


o Quoting style?

It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies
to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is
something called "quoting style", that describes how you should quote
the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message.

We prefer that you use "Top quoting". That means that you should put
your reply _below_ (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original
poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and
you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the
reply belongs.

Here's a good FAQ on how to quote:

http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html

Basically:

+ quote at the top
+ prune text from the quote that is irrelevant
+ remove footers and headers (condense)
+ put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text


o What about you guys?

Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most
of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real
work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're
interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay
with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join
us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our
blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. ->
http://blog.xfce.org/


o Most commonly asked questions

There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other.
We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for
yourself how to find more information about them.

+ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch
Xfce)?

Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some
applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you
might consider using "devilspie". You can add links to applications in
~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which
applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your
session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications
before logging out!)

+ Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y?

Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in
all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another
window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus.
Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the
application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to
save your session when you exit.

+ How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce?

Read
http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown

+ Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently?

You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a
system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce
version in a non-system location like /opt/xfce/$(XFCE_VERSION) and
adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version
at run time.

+ My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!?

It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often
xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make
sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the
desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop
flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to
handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start
xfdesktop again and you should be OK again.

+ How do I edit the system application menu?

The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just
delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file
(usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can
completely customize the menu.

+ What other (hidden) settings exist?

A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each
component.
http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options
http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk

+ Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX?

The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes
links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit:

http://www.xfce.org/download/

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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Thu Apr 10 13:30:47 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:30:47 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804092153230.5570@webtrek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409182004.b9c38f53.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804092153230.5570@webtrek.com>
Message-ID: <1207827047.23791.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>

On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 22:01 -0400, Joe Klemmer wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Enrico Tr?ger wrote:
> >> P.S. Shout out to all four or five of you who remember me.  ;-)
> >
> > Hehe, welcome back ;-).
> 
>  	I guess that makes six then.  :-)
> 
> Joe

Umm, I remember you for other reasons... and other places. Good to see
you still hanging around.
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From erikharrison at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 16:59:25 2008
From: erikharrison at gmail.com (Erik Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:59:25 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <1207827047.23791.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409182004.b9c38f53.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804092153230.5570@webtrek.com>
	<1207827047.23791.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <5b18a5420804100759l1814bdbcva26ad5bd5621f604@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 22:01 -0400, Joe Klemmer wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Enrico Tr?ger wrote:
>  > >> P.S. Shout out to all four or five of you who remember me.  ;-)
>  > >
>  > > Hehe, welcome back ;-).
>  >
>  >       I guess that makes six then.  :-)

For some reason I'm not getting Joe's messages, nor are they in my
spam folder. Any guesses as to what's up?

Also, welcome back Klemmer.

>  >
>  > Joe
>
>  Umm, I remember you for other reasons... and other places. Good to see
>  you still hanging around.
>  --
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From chochem at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 20:04:11 2008
From: chochem at gmail.com (Mads Michelsen)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:04:11 +0200
Subject: xfce and mounting
Message-ID: <30c2b4a80804101104s2518d6a1oa7f59aa328a1c7d4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to understand about mounting and what role XFCE/thunar plays in
it and how to control it.

1) Who does what? What does HAL do, what does thunar (volman) do? And I take
it that the Places panel-plugin is just a shortcut for the thunar
functionality?

2) Is there a way to control the (auto)mounting of external filesystems same
way as /etc/fstab controls those mounted at boot? (i.e mountpoint, owner,
options, etc.)?

3) I'd like to be able to control some simple mounting/unmounting operations
by way of shortcut keys and incorporate some functionality into scripts,
e.g. toggle mount status for drive X, mount-if-not-currently-mounted, drop
all external mounts etc. Using umount and mount just doesn't seem to
integrate well with thunar's mounting: manually mounting a drive that is
registered as a drive in the places plugin seems to confuse it (directing
thunar to the mount point results in a neverending load). Also, I can
unmount whatever thunar has (auto)mounted using umount, but umount requires
root privileges and the places plugin doesn't. So is there a way to do these
operations by sending commands to thunar/places/HAL (as I said in the first
question, I'm really not sure what does what)?

Thanks in advance,
mads
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Thu Apr 10 23:34:20 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:34:20 -0700
Subject: Assistive Technology support for Xfce
In-Reply-To: <8CA67875D108246-15F0-2919@MBLK-M25.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA67875D108246-15F0-2919@MBLK-M25.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <47FE87DC.90702@cornell.edu>

Hi Gerald,

geraldhsiao at aol.com wrote:
> I developed a program which needs assistive technology support.
> The program works fine in GNOME, but can't work in Xfce.
> I'd turned on the session setting to launch GNOME services on startup.
> But the at-spi still cannot be enabled.
> Does anyone know how to turn on Xfce assistive technology?

Sorry, but many of us don't really know how the assistive stuff really 
works.  Can you try to describe in more detail what facilities you need 
or what isn't working?

	-brian


From lyceuhns at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 04:47:47 2008
From: lyceuhns at gmail.com (Filipy Galiza Soares)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:47:47 -0300
Subject: PCMan as dafault file manager
Message-ID: <c6aedff80804101947g38b3890asafd64d919fb379ed@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,
well, i've tried some things, like to disability the desktop manager
by Thunar and setting  the PCMan as the desktop manager. Ok, very
nice, but the PCMan is not my default file manager, not fatal to the
system, but uncomfortable to me, everything that want to open a file
manager, always open Thunar, for example: i've set the usb stick to
open the device when it's plugged, and again it goes with Thunar.

I don't want to take Thunar away from my system, i just want that
Thunar opens when i want and only this, else goes with PCMan.

Anybody? Any ideas?

Thanks for attention.
See ya! o/

From ongardie at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 01:43:29 2008
From: ongardie at gmail.com (Diego Ongaro)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:43:29 -0500
Subject: xfce and mounting
In-Reply-To: <30c2b4a80804101104s2518d6a1oa7f59aa328a1c7d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30c2b4a80804101104s2518d6a1oa7f59aa328a1c7d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <115252780804111643x56710922t8c2cc0f12759a946@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Mads Michelsen <chochem at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,

Hello

> 1) Who does what? What does HAL do, what does thunar (volman) do? And I take
> it that the Places panel-plugin is just a shortcut for the thunar
> functionality?

I can verify that the places plugin uses the thunar-vfs library, so it
is indeed just a shortcut for the Thunar functionality. Hopefully
someone more informed can respond to your other questions.

-Diego

From moe at xfce.org  Sat Apr 12 22:36:46 2008
From: moe at xfce.org (Moritz Heiber)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:36:46 +0200
Subject: Xfce 4.6.0 release milestones
Message-ID: <20080412223646.0c3c81db@xfce.org>

After following the developer discusion on the mailinglist I whipped up
a wiki page summing up the general release process and providing dates
and terms for the upcoming Xfce releases leading to the final
installment of Xfce 4.6.0.

--> http://wiki.xfce.org/milestones_to_46

These dates may change .. yet, so far they've been well recieved by the
general developer community. The number of releases and the
corresponding terms are pretty much fixed.

What to do now?

As a developer .. make sure your roadmap entry [1] is up-to-date and
watch out for further adjustments to the milestones page. Think about
what you can do during the release process and tell Stephan Arts
(stephan at xfce.org) about it. Check our bugtracker and and mark all your
bugs with the right 'milestone' tag (once the right milestone tags have
been created .. Brian?!) so we all get a good and clear overview about
what needs to be done in order to achieve a consistent release. And of
course .. hack away!

As a translator .. make sure you're catching the right date to start
translating the seperate components after the string freeze.

For everyone else .. think about contributing! There are many different
parts of Xfce in need of attention and love (for details check the
roadmap [1]). If you want to help out contact the maintainer of the
corresponding component or write a mail to the Xfce4 development list
[2].

Now .. GET TO WORK! ;-)

Regards,

Moritz

[1] http://wiki.xfce.org/roadmap_to_46
[2] http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev

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From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Sun Apr 13 04:19:41 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:19:41 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420804100759l1814bdbcva26ad5bd5621f604@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409182004.b9c38f53.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804092153230.5570@webtrek.com>
	<1207827047.23791.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<5b18a5420804100759l1814bdbcva26ad5bd5621f604@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1208053181.17474.10.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>

On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 10:59 -0400, Erik Harrison wrote:

> For some reason I'm not getting Joe's messages, nor are they in my
> spam folder. Any guesses as to what's up?

	I seem to remember having this same problem on this list myself back a
while ago.  I think it was in the xfce 2.x days but I can't remember
that far back.

> Also, welcome back Klemmer. 

	Thank you.

Joe

P.S.  And just for old times sake...  "Whatever it is I'm against it."

-- 
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A combination of insight and inanity for your reading pleasure


From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Sun Apr 13 06:36:34 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:36:34 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
Message-ID: <1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>

On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 19:15 +0200, Mike Massonnet wrote:

> > Poking around I found that the plugin how-to on the wiki is empty
> > and the only place I can find the sample plugin code is in the svn
> > repository.
> 
> Nowai!  http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/howto/panel_plugins

	That's not the link I had.  No wonder I couldn't find it.

> Do as Enrico said, follow the svn link to the sample plugin (also
> pointed on the wiki page). 

	I've taken my first foray into trying to build the sample.  Can anyone
point me to an "autotools for dummies" reference?  The sample as is will
not build because it's not happy with the versions of the xfce lib stuff
are to old.  This is what's in the configure.in.in file -

dnl ***********************************
dnl *** Check for required packages ***
dnl ***********************************
XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([GTK], [gtk+-2.0], [2.6.0])
XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCEGUI4], [libxfcegui4-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4UTIL], [libxfce4util-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4PANEL], [libxfce4panel-1.0], [4.3.99.2])

and this is the output from ./autogen.sh

checking for libxfcegui4-4.0 >= 4.3.99.2... not found
*** The required package libxfcegui4-4.0 was not found on your system.
*** Please install libxfcegui4-4.0 (atleast version 4.3.99.2) or adjust
*** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
*** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
*** pkg-config is able to find it.

	OC, the libraries on my system are version 4.4.2 so the build isn't
happy.

	I wonder, should I take this to the developer list?  Or maybe the
goodies list?

Joe

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From eric.maillist at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 18:26:03 2008
From: eric.maillist at gmail.com (Eric P)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:26:03 -0500
Subject: keyboard shortcut - xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist
In-Reply-To: <47EC4C97.4090700@gmail.com>
References: <47EB1FF6.9040805@gmail.com> <47EB9950.3040900@quoininc.com>
	<1206628718.6867.8.camel@thorold> <47EC4C97.4090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4802341B.8050802@gmail.com>

> Nope, but nice inference though.  I just changed both of them to other shortcuts (ctrl-alt-u and ctrl-alt-l).  They only
> work intermittently now.  For example, with my Thunderbird window in focus, these shortcuts work 80-90% of the time.
> But if I'm on an empty desktop, they work around 10% of the time.  Weird indeed.
> 
> I don't have this problem with other xfce4 functions such as xfce4-popup-notes or xfce4-session-logout which
> consistently work w/keyboard shortcuts.
> 
> Eric
> 


Ok, let me ask this question again since this implementation obviously doesn't work correctly.

Is anyone using a particular keyboard shortcut for xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist that works consistently?

Thanks,
Eric

From cfajohnson at teksavvy.com  Sun Apr 13 18:36:02 2008
From: cfajohnson at teksavvy.com (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:36:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: keyboard shortcut - xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist
In-Reply-To: <4802341B.8050802@gmail.com>
References: <47EB1FF6.9040805@gmail.com> <47EB9950.3040900@quoininc.com>
	<1206628718.6867.8.camel@thorold> <47EC4C97.4090700@gmail.com>
	<4802341B.8050802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804131231150.18499@206-248-139-163.dsl.teksavvy.com>

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Eric P wrote:

>> Nope, but nice inference though.  I just changed both of them to other shortcuts (ctrl-alt-u and ctrl-alt-l).  They only
>> work intermittently now.  For example, with my Thunderbird window in focus, these shortcuts work 80-90% of the time.
>> But if I'm on an empty desktop, they work around 10% of the time.  Weird indeed.
>>
>> I don't have this problem with other xfce4 functions such as xfce4-popup-notes or xfce4-session-logout which
>> consistently work w/keyboard shortcuts.
>
>
> Ok, let me ask this question again since this implementation obviously doesn't work correctly.
>
> Is anyone using a particular keyboard shortcut for xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist that works consistently?

     No, but I have had problems with other key bindings. For example,
     I have had trouble binding Ctrl-kp_multiply. The key is now bound
     to Workspace_12, even though that is bound to another key.


     What file[s] are the shortcuts stored in?

-- 
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From jeremyheiler at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 18:50:30 2008
From: jeremyheiler at gmail.com (Jeremy Heiler)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:50:30 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420804100759l1814bdbcva26ad5bd5621f604@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>	<20080409182004.b9c38f53.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804092153230.5570@webtrek.com>	<1207827047.23791.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<5b18a5420804100759l1814bdbcva26ad5bd5621f604@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480239D6.5070303@gmail.com>

Erik Harrison wrote:
> For some reason I'm not getting Joe's messages, nor are they in my
> spam folder. Any guesses as to what's up?

I wasn't getting them either however, they appeared in my Gmail spam folder.

-Jeremy


From erikharrison at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 19:24:57 2008
From: erikharrison at gmail.com (Erik Harrison)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:24:57 -0400
Subject: keyboard shortcut - xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist
In-Reply-To: <4802341B.8050802@gmail.com>
References: <47EB1FF6.9040805@gmail.com> <47EB9950.3040900@quoininc.com>
	<1206628718.6867.8.camel@thorold> <47EC4C97.4090700@gmail.com>
	<4802341B.8050802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b18a5420804131024i7d4d5a13ob0bacbb4db3b58cc@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Eric P <eric.maillist at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Nope, but nice inference though.  I just changed both of them to other shortcuts (ctrl-alt-u and ctrl-alt-l).  They only
>  > work intermittently now.  For example, with my Thunderbird window in focus, these shortcuts work 80-90% of the time.
>  > But if I'm on an empty desktop, they work around 10% of the time.  Weird indeed.
>  >
>  > I don't have this problem with other xfce4 functions such as xfce4-popup-notes or xfce4-session-logout which
>  > consistently work w/keyboard shortcuts.
>  >
>  > Eric
>  >
>
>
>  Ok, let me ask this question again since this implementation obviously doesn't work correctly.
>
>  Is anyone using a particular keyboard shortcut for xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist that works consistently?
>

Yes. Ctrl+Escape here, set up by default on Xubuntu, works perfectly.
>  Thanks,
>
>
> Eric
>  _______________________________________________
>  Xfce mailing list
>  Xfce at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>  http://www.xfce.org
>



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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun Apr 13 22:47:06 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:47:06 -0700
Subject: keyboard shortcut - xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist
In-Reply-To: <47EB1FF6.9040805@gmail.com>
References: <47EB1FF6.9040805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080413134706.28e6c91d@kepler>

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:17:58 -0500 Eric P wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have keyboard shortcuts set for xfce4-popup-menu (ctrl-esc) and
> xfce4-popup-windowlist (alt-esc), but they just don't work.
> 
> They work great in the terminal (I.e., brings up the main menu or
> window list).
> 
> Any ideas what's wrong?

There's a bug for this in bugzilla somewhere.  Not sure if the fix made
it into 4.4.2 though, and not sure the fix works for everyone, either.

	-brian

From nickschermer at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 09:02:10 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:02:10 +0200
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
Message-ID: <4abe35490804140002u6a8a71wadadadc361072e8f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/4/13, Joe Klemmer <klemmerj at webtrek.com>:
> On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 19:15 +0200, Mike Massonnet wrote:
>
>  > > Poking around I found that the plugin how-to on the wiki is empty
>  > > and the only place I can find the sample plugin code is in the svn
>  > > repository.
>  >
>  > Nowai!  http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/howto/panel_plugins
>
>
>         That's not the link I had.  No wonder I couldn't find it.
>
>
>  > Do as Enrico said, follow the svn link to the sample plugin (also
>  > pointed on the wiki page).
>
>
>         I've taken my first foray into trying to build the sample.  Can anyone
>  point me to an "autotools for dummies" reference?  The sample as is will
>  not build because it's not happy with the versions of the xfce lib stuff
>  are to old.  This is what's in the configure.in.in file -
>
>  dnl ***********************************
>  dnl *** Check for required packages ***
>  dnl ***********************************
>  XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([GTK], [gtk+-2.0], [2.6.0])
>  XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCEGUI4], [libxfcegui4-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
>  XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4UTIL], [libxfce4util-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
>  XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4PANEL], [libxfce4panel-1.0], [4.3.99.2])
>
>  and this is the output from ./autogen.sh
>
>  checking for libxfcegui4-4.0 >= 4.3.99.2... not found
>  *** The required package libxfcegui4-4.0 was not found on your system.
>  *** Please install libxfcegui4-4.0 (atleast version 4.3.99.2) or adjust
>  *** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
>  *** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
>  *** pkg-config is able to find it.

Search you system if you have the libxfcegui4 pkgconfig file installed
(probably /usr/lib/pkgconfig/). If not, you don't have the *-devel
package of Xfce installed (distro dependent). If the pkgconfig files
do exist and the headers are installed, you need to point your
PKG_CONFIG_PATH to the correct location (export
PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig), as told in the error.

This is no autotools magic, just an incomplete build environment on
your pc (or atleast; not properly configured)

Nick

From tino.keitel+xfce at tikei.de  Mon Apr 14 11:26:58 2008
From: tino.keitel+xfce at tikei.de (Tino Keitel)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:26:58 +0200
Subject: xfce and mounting
In-Reply-To: <30c2b4a80804101104s2518d6a1oa7f59aa328a1c7d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30c2b4a80804101104s2518d6a1oa7f59aa328a1c7d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080414092658.GA10651@dose.home.local>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 20:04:11 +0200, Mads Michelsen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to understand about mounting and what role XFCE/thunar plays in
> it and how to control it.
> 
> 1) Who does what? What does HAL do, what does thunar (volman) do? And I take
> it that the Places panel-plugin is just a shortcut for the thunar
> functionality?

AFAIK HAL detects new devices, and generates a dbus message. The dbus
session of the user that is logged in processes the dbus message, and
sends it to Thunar. Thunar then uses libexo to mount/umount/eject
devices (see the exo-mount manpage).

> 2) Is there a way to control the (auto)mounting of external filesystems same
> way as /etc/fstab controls those mounted at boot? (i.e mountpoint, owner,
> options, etc.)?

You can create own fdi files for HAL, but exo is somewhat limited when
it comes to the usage of HAL properties.

> 3) I'd like to be able to control some simple mounting/unmounting operations
> by way of shortcut keys and incorporate some functionality into scripts,
> e.g. toggle mount status for drive X, mount-if-not-currently-mounted, drop
> all external mounts etc. Using umount and mount just doesn't seem to
> integrate well with thunar's mounting: manually mounting a drive that is
> registered as a drive in the places plugin seems to confuse it (directing
> thunar to the mount point results in a neverending load). Also, I can
> unmount whatever thunar has (auto)mounted using umount, but umount requires
> root privileges and the places plugin doesn't. So is there a way to do these
> operations by sending commands to thunar/places/HAL (as I said in the first
> question, I'm really not sure what does what)?

Just use exo-mount in your scripts.

Regards,
Tino

From kernel at crazytrain.com  Tue Apr 15 01:48:58 2008
From: kernel at crazytrain.com (farmerdude)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:48:58 -0400
Subject: PCMan as dafault file manager
In-Reply-To: <c6aedff80804101947g38b3890asafd64d919fb379ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6aedff80804101947g38b3890asafd64d919fb379ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1208216938.6090.1.camel@kosmo>

Have you tried something as simple as renaming Thunar, then symlinking
pcman to thunar, so the apps call thunar, but thunar is really pcman?

I use 'simple' not referring to you but in this might be the simplest
approach to resolve your scenario.




On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 23:47 -0300, Filipy Galiza Soares wrote:
> Hi there,
> well, i've tried some things, like to disability the desktop manager
> by Thunar and setting  the PCMan as the desktop manager. Ok, very
> nice, but the PCMan is not my default file manager, not fatal to the
> system, but uncomfortable to me, everything that want to open a file
> manager, always open Thunar, for example: i've set the usb stick to
> open the device when it's plugged, and again it goes with Thunar.
> 
> I don't want to take Thunar away from my system, i just want that
> Thunar opens when i want and only this, else goes with PCMan.
> 
> Anybody? Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks for attention.
> See ya! o/
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
> 


From eric.maillist at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 03:14:37 2008
From: eric.maillist at gmail.com (Eric P)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:14:37 -0500
Subject: keyboard shortcut - xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420804131024i7d4d5a13ob0bacbb4db3b58cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47EB1FF6.9040805@gmail.com>
	<47EB9950.3040900@quoininc.com>	<1206628718.6867.8.camel@thorold>
	<47EC4C97.4090700@gmail.com>	<4802341B.8050802@gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420804131024i7d4d5a13ob0bacbb4db3b58cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4804017D.8070605@gmail.com>

>>  Is anyone using a particular keyboard shortcut for xfce4-popup-menu and xfce4-popup-windowlist that works consistently?
>>
> 
> Yes. Ctrl+Escape here, set up by default on Xubuntu, works perfectly.

I'm running Xubuntu too (7.10).

Here's a screenshot of my keyboard shortcuts.  Tell me if yours is different somehow.

http://i31.tinypic.com/243nscm.png

Note:
Shortcut doesn't work: xfce4-popup-menu
Shortcut doesn't work: xfce4-popup-windowlist
Shortcut does work: xfce4-session-logout

Thanks,
Eric

From droops at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 03:20:24 2008
From: droops at gmail.com (droops)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:20:24 -0500
Subject: PCMan as dafault file manager
In-Reply-To: <1208216938.6090.1.camel@kosmo>
References: <c6aedff80804101947g38b3890asafd64d919fb379ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1208216938.6090.1.camel@kosmo>
Message-ID: <74558e220804141820l3f318a9dr9a1178234c5925ae@mail.gmail.com>

i have not tried that, but wouldnt apt-get 'fix' this every time
thunar was updated?

i found a thread on this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=539182

From kernel at crazytrain.com  Tue Apr 15 03:43:07 2008
From: kernel at crazytrain.com (farmerdude)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:43:07 -0400
Subject: PCMan as dafault file manager
In-Reply-To: <74558e220804141820l3f318a9dr9a1178234c5925ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6aedff80804101947g38b3890asafd64d919fb379ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1208216938.6090.1.camel@kosmo>
	<74558e220804141820l3f318a9dr9a1178234c5925ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1208223787.6090.6.camel@kosmo>

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 20:20 -0500, droops wrote:
> i have not tried that, but wouldnt apt-get 'fix' this every time
> thunar was updated?

Potentially.  I don't use apt-get, so I don't know.

If it did, you'd simply redo the steps.  Or, alternatively, write a
simple shell script, and if apt-get affects the changes, run the script
again.




From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Tue Apr 15 05:31:39 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:31:39 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <4abe35490804140002u6a8a71wadadadc361072e8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
	<4abe35490804140002u6a8a71wadadadc361072e8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1208230299.31728.27.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 09:02 +0200, Nick Schermer wrote:

> Search you system if you have the libxfcegui4 pkgconfig file installed
> (probably /usr/lib/pkgconfig/). If not, you don't have the *-devel
> package of Xfce installed (distro dependent). If the pkgconfig files
> do exist and the headers are installed, you need to point your
> PKG_CONFIG_PATH to the correct location (export
> PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig), as told in the error.

	Interesting.  The packages are installed[1] but there's nothing
in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ for them.  In fact there doesn't seem to be
any .pc files for those libraries.  This is on my older fedora 7 box so
I'll try it on my newest Fedora 8 box tomorrow (it's way past my
bedtime).

> This is no autotools magic, just an incomplete build environment on
> your pc (or atleast; not properly configured)

	I trust not the configurations of anything on any computer running any
app on any OS.  Well, I did like the IBM 3090 running MVS quite a bit.

Joe

[1] libxfcegui4-4.4.2-1.fc7
    libxfce4util-4.4.2-1.fc7
    xfce4-panel-4.4.2-1.fc7

-- 
Interesting Boring Blog - http://x-nc.blogspot.com
A combination of insight and inanity for your reading pleasure


From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Apr 15 05:45:25 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:45:25 -0700
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
Message-ID: <20080414204525.0b8230ec@kepler>

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:36:34 -0400 Joe Klemmer wrote:

> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCEGUI4], [libxfcegui4-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4UTIL], [libxfce4util-4.0], [4.3.99.2])

These are wrong -- should be 'libxfcegui4-1.0' and 'libxfce4util-1.0'.

Depending on distro, you'll probably need the appropriate -dev or
-devel package installed.

	-b

From chochem at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 10:33:45 2008
From: chochem at gmail.com (Mads Michelsen)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:33:45 +0200
Subject: xfce and mounting
In-Reply-To: <20080414092658.GA10651@dose.home.local>
References: <30c2b4a80804101104s2518d6a1oa7f59aa328a1c7d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080414092658.GA10651@dose.home.local>
Message-ID: <30c2b4a80804150133i31c1a884rb50ea7f60a0dd42a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tino Keitel
<tino.keitel+xfce at tikei.de<tino.keitel%2Bxfce at tikei.de>>
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 20:04:11 +0200, Mads Michelsen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm trying to understand about mounting and what role XFCE/thunar plays
> in
> > it and how to control it.
> >
> > 1) Who does what? What does HAL do, what does thunar (volman) do? And I
> take
> > it that the Places panel-plugin is just a shortcut for the thunar
> > functionality?
>
> AFAIK HAL detects new devices, and generates a dbus message. The dbus
> session of the user that is logged in processes the dbus message, and
> sends it to Thunar. Thunar then uses libexo to mount/umount/eject
> devices (see the exo-mount manpage).
>
> > 2) Is there a way to control the (auto)mounting of external filesystems
> same
> > way as /etc/fstab controls those mounted at boot? (i.e mountpoint,
> owner,
> > options, etc.)?
>
> You can create own fdi files for HAL, but exo is somewhat limited when
> it comes to the usage of HAL properties.
>
> > 3) I'd like to be able to control some simple mounting/unmounting
> operations
> > by way of shortcut keys and incorporate some functionality into scripts,
> > e.g. toggle mount status for drive X, mount-if-not-currently-mounted,
> drop
> > all external mounts etc. Using umount and mount just doesn't seem to
> > integrate well with thunar's mounting: manually mounting a drive that is
> > registered as a drive in the places plugin seems to confuse it
> (directing
> > thunar to the mount point results in a neverending load). Also, I can
> > unmount whatever thunar has (auto)mounted using umount, but umount
> requires
> > root privileges and the places plugin doesn't. So is there a way to do
> these
> > operations by sending commands to thunar/places/HAL (as I said in the
> first
> > question, I'm really not sure what does what)?
>
> Just use exo-mount in your scripts.
>
> Regards,
> Tino
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>


Thanks fot the replies. A couple of new concepts there, but at least I know
where to look now. Thanks again.
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From mark at foresightlinux.org  Tue Apr 15 11:53:06 2008
From: mark at foresightlinux.org (Mark Trompell)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:53:06 +0200
Subject: ANN: whaawmp 0.2.10 released
Message-ID: <dbfa5dfc0804150253i35f80d6ex4d6e7b5cc507125@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
we just released whaawmp 0.2.10. It's mainly a bugfix release. Testing
is welcome.
Meet us in #whaawmp on irc.oftc.net.

>From the release notes:
Well, here's an 0.2.10 release, the main reason for this release is
the fix a rather serious bug when passing a URI when whaawmp is
already running.
Changes since 0.2.8 include:
-Close/Quit on Ctrl+W aswell as Ctrl+Q
-New option in selecting the audio device: Auto/Default
-Fix bug when passing a URI and whaawmp is already running (also
affected opening files from nautilus)
-Fix lockups on some computers
-Fix problem with trying to use certain videosinks

Get it from http://download.gna.org/whaawmp/0.2.10/

Enjoy,
Mark__T

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 12:20:46 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:20:46 +0200
Subject: PCMan as dafault file manager
In-Reply-To: <74558e220804141820l3f318a9dr9a1178234c5925ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6aedff80804101947g38b3890asafd64d919fb379ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1208216938.6090.1.camel@kosmo>
	<74558e220804141820l3f318a9dr9a1178234c5925ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080415102046.GH6988@failure.del>

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:20:24PM -0500, droops wrote:
> i have not tried that, but wouldnt apt-get 'fix' this every time
> thunar was updated?

Put that in your personal bin folder.  export PATH with
/home/droops/.local/bin for instance.

> i found a thread on this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=539182

mike

From arnau at emergetux.net  Wed Apr 16 12:27:21 2008
From: arnau at emergetux.net (Arnau Bria)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:27:21 +0200
Subject: colors in terminal
Message-ID: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>

Hi,

I use black background in terminal, and when I connect to a host via
ssh, I always see dirs in dark blue.
I know I could modify ls color alias in remote hosts, but I was
wondering if there's any way in terminal to change it, I mean, modify
colors like dark blue -> yellow or something similar.


Cheers,
Arnau

-- 
Arnau Bria
http://blog.emergetux.net
Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity

From corsac at debian.org  Wed Apr 16 12:50:06 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:50:06 +0200
Subject: colors in terminal
In-Reply-To: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>
References: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>
Message-ID: <20080416105006.GA10609@molly.corsac.net>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:27:21AM +0000, Arnau Bria wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I use black background in terminal, and when I connect to a host via
> ssh, I always see dirs in dark blue.
> I know I could modify ls color alias in remote hosts, but I was
> wondering if there's any way in terminal to change it, I mean, modify
> colors like dark blue -> yellow or something similar.


I assume you're using Terminal? Just go to Preferences/Color. Another way
would be to have a "dark" theme for ls --color but I don't think it exists.
-- 
Yves-Alexis

From arnau at emergetux.net  Wed Apr 16 14:59:40 2008
From: arnau at emergetux.net (Arnau Bria)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:59:40 +0200
Subject: colors in terminal
In-Reply-To: <20080416105006.GA10609@molly.corsac.net>
References: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>
	<20080416105006.GA10609@molly.corsac.net>
Message-ID: <20080416145940.2be83b04@lx-arnau.pic.es>

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:50:06 +0200
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:27:21AM +0000, Arnau Bria wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I use black background in terminal, and when I connect to a host via
> > ssh, I always see dirs in dark blue.
> > I know I could modify ls color alias in remote hosts, but I was
> > wondering if there's any way in terminal to change it, I mean,
> > modify colors like dark blue -> yellow or something similar.
> 
> 
> I assume you're using Terminal? 
Yep, sorry!


> Just go to Preferences/Color. 
Great! Did not play with that!

> Another way would be to have a "dark" theme for ls --color but I
> don't think it exists.
yep, but I don't want to modify ls in remote hosts.

Anyway, many thanks for your help!



-- 
Arnau Bria
http://blog.emergetux.net
Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity

From landry.breuil at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 22:41:20 2008
From: landry.breuil at gmail.com (landry.breuil@gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:41:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: ANN: xfce4-diskperf-plugin version 2.2.0 released
Message-ID: <20080416204120.C38D1F29D8@mocha.foo-projects.org>

Hi all,

here's a maintenance update to diskperf-plugin, most notable change is
the addition of OpenBSD support (inspired from NetBSD support).
Moreover, the tooltip now shows more accurate values.

I'd like to take here the opportunity to thank Roger Seguin, the
original author, who let me took over maintenance of this plugin for
this release, i'll try to update it regularly if new ideas arise.

Landry

Download this release:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-diskperf-plugin/xfce4-diskperf-plugin-2.2.0.tar.bz2

Changelog:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-diskperf-plugin/ChangeLog

Project website:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-diskperf-plugin/

From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Thu Apr 17 05:38:35 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:38:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <20080414204525.0b8230ec@kepler>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
	<20080414204525.0b8230ec@kepler>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804162332140.12727@webtrek.com>

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:

>> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCEGUI4], [libxfcegui4-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
>> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4UTIL], [libxfce4util-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
>
> These are wrong -- should be 'libxfcegui4-1.0' and 'libxfce4util-1.0'.

 	This will need to be changed in the source package that's made for 
distribution.

> Depending on distro, you'll probably need the appropriate -dev or
> -devel package installed.

 	Sorry for being so obtuse, Brian[1].  I wasn't parsing what you 
were saying about the devel packages right.  I got them installed and, 
with the fix above, the sample built.  I was able to get it installed and 
it runs just fine.  OC, it doesn't do anything yet but that's the next 
step.

Joe


[1] Hey, how about you use the nickname BJ?  I can be JJ, for Joseph Jude. 
I do have a nickname of "K-jo" that's used in my virtual/fantasy Sumo 
games.  If anyone is curious about that email me off-list.

-- 
Interesting Boring Blog - http://x-nc.blogspot.com
A combination of insight and inanity for your reading pleasure

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Thu Apr 17 07:05:08 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:05:08 -0700
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804162332140.12727@webtrek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
	<20080414204525.0b8230ec@kepler>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804162332140.12727@webtrek.com>
Message-ID: <20080416220508.7d7620a5@kepler>

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Joe Klemmer wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> 
> >> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCEGUI4], [libxfcegui4-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
> >> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4UTIL], [libxfce4util-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
> >
> > These are wrong -- should be 'libxfcegui4-1.0' and
> > 'libxfce4util-1.0'.
> 
>  	This will need to be changed in the source package that's
> made for distribution.

Oh, that's in the sample plugin source?  Tsk, tsk, no good.  Odd, it's
correct in SVN.  Maybe the source tarball you have is old?  Not sure --
Nick, maybe you know?

> [1] Hey, how about you use the nickname BJ?

Well, perhaps... but 'BJ' tends to have certain... other... connotations
that I might not want to associate myself with ^_~.

BTW -- belated, but -- welcome back Joe.  Good to see you on-list again.

	-b

From nickschermer at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 16:10:10 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:10:10 +0200
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <20080416220508.7d7620a5@kepler>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
	<20080414204525.0b8230ec@kepler>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804162332140.12727@webtrek.com>
	<20080416220508.7d7620a5@kepler>
Message-ID: <4abe35490804170710ycc99098p9177309c10d5fe80@mail.gmail.com>

2008/4/17, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu>:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Joe Klemmer wrote:
>
>  > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
>  >
>  > >> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCEGUI4], [libxfcegui4-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
>  > >> XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE([LIBXFCE4UTIL], [libxfce4util-4.0], [4.3.99.2])
>  > >
>  > > These are wrong -- should be 'libxfcegui4-1.0' and
>  > > 'libxfce4util-1.0'.
>  >
>  >       This will need to be changed in the source package that's
>  > made for distribution.
>
>
> Oh, that's in the sample plugin source?  Tsk, tsk, no good.  Odd, it's
>  correct in SVN.  Maybe the source tarball you have is old?  Not sure --
>  Nick, maybe you know?
>

Not my fault. This has been -1.0 since the initial import and the
tarball on doppio is also correct. Joe probably changed this during a
desperate attempt to get things working ^_^.

Nick

From chochem at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 11:55:03 2008
From: chochem at gmail.com (Mads Michelsen)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:55:03 +0100
Subject: colors in terminal
In-Reply-To: <20080416145940.2be83b04@lx-arnau.pic.es>
References: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>
	<20080416105006.GA10609@molly.corsac.net>
	<20080416145940.2be83b04@lx-arnau.pic.es>
Message-ID: <30c2b4a80804180255p6122359j539ddb4928c0e9f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Arnau Bria <arnau at emergetux.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:50:06 +0200
> Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:27:21AM +0000, Arnau Bria wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I use black background in terminal, and when I connect to a host via
> > > ssh, I always see dirs in dark blue.
> > > I know I could modify ls color alias in remote hosts, but I was
> > > wondering if there's any way in terminal to change it, I mean,
> > > modify colors like dark blue -> yellow or something similar.
> >
> >
> > I assume you're using Terminal?
> Yep, sorry!
>
>
> > Just go to Preferences/Color.
> Great! Did not play with that!
>
> > Another way would be to have a "dark" theme for ls --color but I
> > don't think it exists.
> yep, but I don't want to modify ls in remote hosts.
>
> Anyway, many thanks for your help!
>
>
>
> --
> Arnau Bria
> http://blog.emergetux.net
> Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
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>



Speaking of colours in Xfce4-terminal, the first thing I always do is
supplant the default rather garish tones with this colour
scheme<http://uwstopia.nl/blog/2006/07/tango-terminal>.
They seem to have been adopted as the default for Gnome terminal - maybe an
idea for xfce4 to follow?
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From corsac at debian.org  Fri Apr 18 12:45:36 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:45:36 +0200
Subject: colors in terminal
In-Reply-To: <30c2b4a80804180255p6122359j539ddb4928c0e9f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>
	<20080416105006.GA10609@molly.corsac.net>
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 09:55:03AM +0000, Mads Michelsen wrote:
> Speaking of colours in Xfce4-terminal, the first thing I always do is
> supplant the default rather garish tones with this colour
> scheme<http://uwstopia.nl/blog/2006/07/tango-terminal>.
> They seem to have been adopted as the default for Gnome terminal - maybe an
> idea for xfce4 to follow?

Yeah, could be a good idea. You could open a bug on xfce bugzilla (Terminal
component), but I dont know how this can be implemented, nor when. Benny is
kind of busy atm.

By the way, is there an automatic way to change the palette in Terminal, or do
you do this manually?

Cheers,
-- 
Yves-Alexis

From chochem at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 12:55:24 2008
From: chochem at gmail.com (Mads Michelsen)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:55:24 +0100
Subject: colors in terminal
In-Reply-To: <20080418104536.GB13216@molly.corsac.net>
References: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>
	<20080416105006.GA10609@molly.corsac.net>
	<20080416145940.2be83b04@lx-arnau.pic.es>
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org>
wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 09:55:03AM +0000, Mads Michelsen wrote:
> > Speaking of colours in Xfce4-terminal, the first thing I always do is
> > supplant the default rather garish tones with this colour
> > scheme<http://uwstopia.nl/blog/2006/07/tango-terminal>.
> > They seem to have been adopted as the default for Gnome terminal - maybe
> an
> > idea for xfce4 to follow?
>
> Yeah, could be a good idea. You could open a bug on xfce bugzilla
> (Terminal
> component), but I dont know how this can be implemented, nor when. Benny
> is
> kind of busy atm.
>
> By the way, is there an automatic way to change the palette in Terminal,
> or do
> you do this manually?
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Yves-Alexis
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>

I think I just changed them manually but the choices are saved to the
'terminalrc' file in ~/.config/Terminal so once they're set, they're easy to
backup/switch (I'd include my own entries if I hadn't messed with them so
they're not entirely faithful to the tango setup described in the link)....
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From corsac at debian.org  Fri Apr 18 13:20:09 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:20:09 +0200
Subject: colors in terminal
In-Reply-To: <30c2b4a80804180355x2c05a1c0j36b549a6de0fed42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080416122721.263e39c3@lx-arnau.pic.es>
	<20080416105006.GA10609@molly.corsac.net>
	<20080416145940.2be83b04@lx-arnau.pic.es>
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:55:24AM +0000, Mads Michelsen wrote:
> I think I just changed them manually but the choices are saved to the
> 'terminalrc' file in ~/.config/Terminal so once they're set, they're easy to
> backup/switch (I'd include my own entries if I hadn't messed with them so
> they're not entirely faithful to the tango setup described in the link)....

Yeah, I've edited manually using the values given. Attached is the stuff you
can replace in terminalrc.

Cheers,
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Sat Apr 19 01:55:55 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:55:55 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <20080416220508.7d7620a5@kepler>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
	<20080414204525.0b8230ec@kepler>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804162332140.12727@webtrek.com>
	<20080416220508.7d7620a5@kepler>
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On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 22:05 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:

> > > These are wrong -- should be 'libxfcegui4-1.0' and
> > > 'libxfce4util-1.0'.
> > 
> >       This will need to be changed in the source package that's
> > made for distribution.
> 
> Oh, that's in the sample plugin source?  Tsk, tsk, no good.  Odd, it's
> correct in SVN.  Maybe the source tarball you have is old?  Not sure
> --
> Nick, maybe you know?

	I got this from svn about two weeks ago.  I have it "fixed" here,
though. 

> > [1] Hey, how about you use the nickname BJ?
> 
> Well, perhaps... but 'BJ' tends to have certain... other...
> connotations that I might not want to associate myself with ^_~.

	Well, that's true.  I'd make some kind of smart @$$ remark but I can't
think of anything.

> BTW -- belated, but -- welcome back Joe.  Good to see you on-list
> again. 

	No worries.  I'm happy to be here.  :-)

-- 
Interesting Boring Blog - http://x-nc.blogspot.com
A combination of insight and inanity for your reading pleasure


From klemmerj at webtrek.com  Sat Apr 19 02:08:18 2008
From: klemmerj at webtrek.com (Joe Klemmer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:08:18 -0400
Subject: Sample plugin
In-Reply-To: <4abe35490804170710ycc99098p9177309c10d5fe80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804091157200.15940@webtrek.com>
	<20080409171509.GE27551@failure.del>
	<1208061395.17474.24.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>
	<20080414204525.0b8230ec@kepler>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0804162332140.12727@webtrek.com>
	<20080416220508.7d7620a5@kepler>
	<4abe35490804170710ycc99098p9177309c10d5fe80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1208563698.7235.23.camel@emperor.webtrek.com>

On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:10 +0200, Nick Schermer wrote:

> > Oh, that's in the sample plugin source?  Tsk, tsk, no good.  Odd, 
> > it's correct in SVN.  Maybe the source tarball you have is old?  Not
> > sure --
> >  Nick, maybe you know?
> 
> Not my fault. This has been -1.0 since the initial import and the
> tarball on doppio is also correct. Joe probably changed this during a
> desperate attempt to get things working ^_^. 

	Now that's always a strong possibility.  Some of us suck at using
version control so we can never remember what kind of changes we make.
It's not uncommon to make multiple changes in one go, too.  The only
time I used anything like that was in the mainframe days.  The version
control was transparent in CA-ROSCO and TSO/ISPF.  (Two points if you
know what these are without doing a web search)

-- 
Interesting Boring Blog - http://x-nc.blogspot.com
A combination of insight and inanity for your reading pleasure


From mike.massonnet at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 21:48:19 2008
From: mike.massonnet at gmail.com (mike.massonnet@gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:48:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: ANN: xfmpc version 0.0.6 released
Message-ID: <20080420194819.28531F29DB@mocha.foo-projects.org>

Hello Xfce users,

Hereby a new Xfmpc release, 0.0.6.  Below is the head of the NEWS file
since the latest announcement, which makes this one the third announcement.

Cheers,
mike

    0.0.5 (2008-04-05)

- Add Clear Playlist and Refresh Database buttons
- Clean up XfmpcInterface, move GtkWindow code to main.c
- Fix misc bugs

    0.0.6 (2008-04-20)

- New button that displays a context menu
- Possibility to switch repeat and random in the context menu
- Reload the database view on changes (mpc update)
- Fix misc bugs


Download this release:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfmpc/xfmpc-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Changelog:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfmpc/ChangeLog

Project website:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfmpc/

From rjdohnert at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 16:36:30 2008
From: rjdohnert at gmail.com (Roberto Dohnert)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:36:30 -0400
Subject: XFCE Plugins not working
Message-ID: <90f5c42f0804220736ycab2ee5mf589c62e38a13e62@mail.gmail.com>

On Xubuntu 7.10, the CPU Graph, System Monitor and volume control plugins
will not work or display.  This even happens on a clean install
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From corsac at debian.org  Tue Apr 22 16:40:23 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:40:23 +0200
Subject: XFCE Plugins not working
In-Reply-To: <90f5c42f0804220736ycab2ee5mf589c62e38a13e62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90f5c42f0804220736ycab2ee5mf589c62e38a13e62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080422144023.GB30519@molly.corsac.net>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 02:36:30PM +0000, Roberto Dohnert wrote:
> On Xubuntu 7.10, the CPU Graph, System Monitor and volume control plugins
> will not work or display.  This even happens on a clean install

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
-- 
Yves-Alexis

From zappi at herz--aus--gold.de  Tue Apr 22 18:12:15 2008
From: zappi at herz--aus--gold.de (Michael Edwards)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:12:15 +0200
Subject: XFCE Plugins not working
In-Reply-To: <20080422144023.GB30519@molly.corsac.net>
References: <90f5c42f0804220736ycab2ee5mf589c62e38a13e62@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080422144023.GB30519@molly.corsac.net>
Message-ID: <480E0E5F.2070101@herz--aus--gold.de>

Yves-Alexis Perez schrieb:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 02:36:30PM +0000, Roberto Dohnert wrote:
>> On Xubuntu 7.10, the CPU Graph, System Monitor and volume control plugins
>> will not work or display.  This even happens on a clean install
> 
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
This is in my experience a problem with the human theme. I don't if it's
the theme or xfce. If you switch the theme the plugins shall work as usual.

Cheers

Michael

From jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 01:42:42 2008
From: jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com (Jimmy Wu)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:42:42 -0400
Subject: foreign languages do not display
Message-ID: <7ffb3b2b0804221642l62d9cf5clfa4698f81a271e88@mail.gmail.com>

I popped in a CD with some Chinese filenames - all of these show up as
question marks in Thunar.
What do I need to do to get these filenames to display?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Jimmy Wu
Registered Linux User #454138
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Wed Apr 23 02:00:49 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:00:49 -0700
Subject: foreign languages do not display
In-Reply-To: <7ffb3b2b0804221642l62d9cf5clfa4698f81a271e88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ffb3b2b0804221642l62d9cf5clfa4698f81a271e88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480E7C31.9080401@cornell.edu>

Jimmy Wu wrote:
> I popped in a CD with some Chinese filenames - all of these show up as
> question marks in Thunar.
> What do I need to do to get these filenames to display?

Chinese fonts?  I suspect you already have those...

It might not be that simple, though.  If the CD uses a different 
filename encoding than Thunar expects, the filenames won't display 
correctly.  I'm not sure how to fix that.  Is there any output on 
console?  Thunar might be complaining in a way that's useful.

Also -- if you use a File->Open dialog using another gtk app, is it able 
to display the filenames on the CD correctly?

	-brian


From cathayan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 03:05:53 2008
From: cathayan at gmail.com (cathayan)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:05:53 +0800
Subject: foreign languages do not display
In-Reply-To: <480E7C31.9080401@cornell.edu>
References: <7ffb3b2b0804221642l62d9cf5clfa4698f81a271e88@mail.gmail.com>
	<480E7C31.9080401@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <3ac5e1e80804221805u68b18bbcn9e435c69bdcd3bb1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> Jimmy Wu wrote:
>  > I popped in a CD with some Chinese filenames - all of these show up as
>  > question marks in Thunar.
>  > What do I need to do to get these filenames to display?
>
>  Chinese fonts?  I suspect you already have those...
>
>  It might not be that simple, though.  If the CD uses a different
>  filename encoding than Thunar expects, the filenames won't display
>  correctly.  I'm not sure how to fix that.  Is there any output on
>  console?  Thunar might be complaining in a way that's useful.
>
>  Also -- if you use a File->Open dialog using another gtk app, is it able
>  to display the filenames on the CD correctly?
>

Only some hints: usually we use mount option "iocharset=utf-8" to
solve the ms-windows disk mount problems. if it is not utf-8, try
cp936.

and a feature request for Xfce: add encoding settings in thunar.

-- 
cathayan at gmail.com
http://blog.cathayan.org

From jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 04:36:38 2008
From: jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com (Jimmy Wu)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:36:38 -0400
Subject: foreign languages do not display
In-Reply-To: <480E7C31.9080401@cornell.edu>
References: <7ffb3b2b0804221642l62d9cf5clfa4698f81a271e88@mail.gmail.com>
	<480E7C31.9080401@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <7ffb3b2b0804221936i16f06c00q2a2429eb7aa743b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> Jimmy Wu wrote:
>  > I popped in a CD with some Chinese filenames - all of these show up as
>  > question marks in Thunar.
>  > What do I need to do to get these filenames to display?
>
>  Chinese fonts?  I suspect you already have those...

I would think I do - I am running Debian and when I installed it, I
chose several locales - the following is the output of 'locale -a'
C
en_US
en_US.iso88591
en_US.iso885915
en_US.utf8
[...]
POSIX
zh_CN
zh_CN.gb18030
zh_CN.gb2312
zh_CN.gbk
zh_CN.utf8
zh_HK
zh_HK.big5hkscs
zh_HK.utf8
zh_TW
zh_TW.big5
zh_TW.euctw
zh_TW.utf8

>
>  It might not be that simple, though.  If the CD uses a different
>  filename encoding than Thunar expects, the filenames won't display
>  correctly.  I'm not sure how to fix that.  Is there any output on
>  console?  Thunar might be complaining in a way that's useful.

How do I find the error log?

>  Also -- if you use a File->Open dialog using another gtk app, is it able
>  to display the filenames on the CD correctly?

nope

Thanks for the help,
-- 
Jimmy Wu
Registered Linux User #454138
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/\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments

From jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 04:40:06 2008
From: jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com (Jimmy Wu)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:40:06 -0400
Subject: foreign languages do not display
In-Reply-To: <3ac5e1e80804221805u68b18bbcn9e435c69bdcd3bb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ffb3b2b0804221642l62d9cf5clfa4698f81a271e88@mail.gmail.com>
	<480E7C31.9080401@cornell.edu>
	<3ac5e1e80804221805u68b18bbcn9e435c69bdcd3bb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7ffb3b2b0804221940v3e29d45bn8b3f0b2548cd5a25@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, cathayan <cathayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
>  > Jimmy Wu wrote:
>  >  > I popped in a CD with some Chinese filenames - all of these show up as
>  >  > question marks in Thunar.
>  >  > What do I need to do to get these filenames to display?
>  >
>  >  Chinese fonts?  I suspect you already have those...
>  >
>  >  It might not be that simple, though.  If the CD uses a different
>  >  filename encoding than Thunar expects, the filenames won't display
>  >  correctly.  I'm not sure how to fix that.  Is there any output on
>  >  console?  Thunar might be complaining in a way that's useful.
>  >
>  >  Also -- if you use a File->Open dialog using another gtk app, is it able
>  >  to display the filenames on the CD correctly?
>  >
>
>  Only some hints: usually we use mount option "iocharset=utf-8" to
>  solve the ms-windows disk mount problems. if it is not utf-8, try
>  cp936.

I tried unmounting the drive, and then remounting with cp936.  The
only improvement was that font the question marks were in changed, and
the f