From itsme_410 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  1 01:32:59 2008
From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:32:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <b33ba6660805311134i1fcc2423m765298bc6bb1ea2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <915552.83985.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Sat, 5/31/08, Alexander Toresson <alexander.toresson at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Alexander Toresson <alexander.toresson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: newbie questions on xfce
> To: itsme_410 at yahoo.com, "XFCE general discussion list" <xfce at xfce.org>
> Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 2:34 PM
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Globe Trotter
> <itsme_410 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Umh. In the shortcuts tab in the window manager
> settings.
> >> You select
> >> the shortcut theme to use from the list to the
> right....
> >
> > Hmmm....I click on Settings -> Window Manager
> Settings. I get 4 tabs for style, keyboard focus and
> advanced.
> >
> > I go to Keyboard. MyTheme is highlighted. I click on
> it some more. No change. Is this what you were suggesting I
> do?
> >
> > Many thanks again,
> > Trotter
> >
> 
> Yes. When it is selected, the shortcuts defined within it
> should be
> active. In any case, I tried doing exactly what you wanted
> to do (bind
> raise window to f1), and it worked wonderfully. One thing
> you could
> try is going into the keyboard settings to check so no
> command
> shortcut is overriding it (ie also binding f1).
> 
> // Alexander

Hi,

Thanks very much! I exited and went back in and worked. Perhaps had something to do with starting the session. I have a couple more questions, however.

I like having a big clock (oclock) on the screen. So, I type oclock and it shows up all right. However I wonder how I can make it "sticky" across workspaces? This does not seem to have a window menu so i can not ask for it to be sticky across workspaces like that.

The second question I have pertains to the desktop sessions. I want to get rid of the trash can, the home and the filesystem. I have no use for them. So I get rid of the Allow Xfce to manage the desktop in Desktop Preferences under Settings Manager, but that also gets rid of the window list display upon middle click of the mouse. How do I do the latter? I guess the question may be: how do I create my new preferences?

Thanks again for all the help!

Best wishes,
Trotter






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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun Jun  1 07:35:26 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:35:26 -0700
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <915552.83985.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <b33ba6660805311134i1fcc2423m765298bc6bb1ea2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<915552.83985.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080531223526.3475fa2e@kepler>

On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Globe Trotter wrote:

> The second question I have pertains to the desktop sessions. I want
> to get rid of the trash can, the home and the filesystem. I have no
> use for them. So I get rid of the Allow Xfce to manage the desktop in
> Desktop Preferences under Settings Manager, but that also gets rid of
> the window list display upon middle click of the mouse. How do I do
> the latter? I guess the question may be: how do I create my new
> preferences?

You read the xfdesktop README ^_^

	-brian

From itsme_410 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  1 07:40:38 2008
From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:40:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <20080531223526.3475fa2e@kepler>
Message-ID: <723072.63625.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I wonder what is the file that stores the workspace preferences on exit? Like which application is on which workspace when I quit?

Many thanks for the help, and best,
Trotter


      

From alexander.toresson at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 09:29:24 2008
From: alexander.toresson at gmail.com (Alexander Toresson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:29:24 +0200
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <915552.83985.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <b33ba6660805311134i1fcc2423m765298bc6bb1ea2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<915552.83985.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b33ba6660806010029s666dc38wdb0f423a3f678974@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Globe Trotter <itsme_410 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks very much! I exited and went back in and worked. Perhaps had something to do with starting the session. I have a couple more questions, however.
>
> I like having a big clock (oclock) on the screen. So, I type oclock
> and it shows up all right. However I wonder how I can make it
> "sticky" across workspaces? This does not seem to have a window
> menu so i can not ask for it to be sticky across workspaces like that.

I believe you can right-click its entry in the taskbar and make it sticky.

> The second question I have pertains to the desktop sessions. I
> want to get rid of the trash can, the home and the filesystem. I have
> no use for them. So I get rid of the Allow Xfce to manage the desktop
> in Desktop Preferences under Settings Manager, but that also gets
> rid of the window list display upon middle click of the mouse. How do
> I do the latter? I guess the question may be: how do I create my new
> preferences?

If you want to get rid of all icons, disable them in the behaviour tab
in the desktop settings. If you want to disable just those icons, read
the readme of xfdesktop as brian pointed out.

// Alexander

From alexander.toresson at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 09:30:16 2008
From: alexander.toresson at gmail.com (Alexander Toresson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:30:16 +0200
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <723072.63625.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20080531223526.3475fa2e@kepler>
	<723072.63625.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b33ba6660806010030nd76885dybbd4d3301dbcf3d1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Globe Trotter <itsme_410 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wonder what is the file that stores the workspace preferences
> on exit? Like which application is on which workspace when I quit?
>
> Many thanks for the help, and best,
> Trotter
>

~/.cache/sessions , though it's not really editable by humans. Unless
you know what you're doing.

// Alexander

From itsme_410 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  1 20:34:26 2008
From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <b33ba6660806010029s666dc38wdb0f423a3f678974@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <187622.55742.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Sun, 6/1/08, Alexander Toresson <alexander.toresson at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Alexander Toresson <alexander.toresson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: newbie questions on xfce
> To: "XFCE general discussion list" <xfce at xfce.org>
> Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:29 AM
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Globe Trotter
> <itsme_410 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks very much! I exited and went back in and
> worked. Perhaps had something to do with starting the
> session. I have a couple more questions, however.
> >
> > I like having a big clock (oclock) on the screen. So,
> I type oclock
> > and it shows up all right. However I wonder how I can
> make it
> > "sticky" across workspaces? This does not
> seem to have a window
> > menu so i can not ask for it to be sticky across
> workspaces like that.
> 
> I believe you can right-click its entry in the taskbar and
> make it sticky.

Thanks very much! Being new to a DE, I did not quite understand what you meant, but hit the solution by accident: your suggestion is absolutely correct, and worked like a charm, thanks!

 
> If you want to get rid of all icons, disable them in the
> behaviour tab
> in the desktop settings. If you want to disable just those
> icons, read
> the readme of xfdesktop as brian pointed out.

Thanks again, I am doing so right now. 

Thanks very much for all your and the list's help. I am in much better shape than I was two days ago using the xfce DE.

best,
trotter


      

From itsme_410 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  1 23:14:02 2008
From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <b33ba6660806010030nd76885dybbd4d3301dbcf3d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33113.94305.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

One more thing: i do not want to be able to raise a window just by clicking on the mouse anywhere, rather would prefer clicking some specific place (like titlebar). I wonder what should I change? i could not figure this out quickly.

Thanks very much!

Sincerely,
Trotter




      

From alexander.toresson at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 23:49:40 2008
From: alexander.toresson at gmail.com (Alexander Toresson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:49:40 +0200
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <33113.94305.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <b33ba6660806010030nd76885dybbd4d3301dbcf3d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<33113.94305.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b33ba6660806011449j7aa0faa3q70e6920c6b1e76ca@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Globe Trotter <itsme_410 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One more thing: i do not want to be able to raise a window just by clicking on the mouse anywhere, rather would prefer clicking some specific place (like titlebar). I wonder what should I change? i could not figure this out quickly.
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> Sincerely,
> Trotter
>

Window manager settings.

// Alexander

From itsme_410 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 00:54:45 2008
From: itsme_410 at yahoo.com (Globe Trotter)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:54:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: newbie questions on xfce
In-Reply-To: <b33ba6660806011449j7aa0faa3q70e6920c6b1e76ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81786.77523.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Sun, 6/1/08, Alexander Toresson <alexander.toresson at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Alexander Toresson <alexander.toresson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: newbie questions on xfce
> To: "XFCE general discussion list" <xfce at xfce.org>
> Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 5:49 PM
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Globe Trotter
> <itsme_410 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > One more thing: i do not want to be able to raise a
> window just by clicking on the mouse anywhere, rather would
> prefer clicking some specific place (like titlebar). I
> wonder what should I change? i could not figure this out
> quickly.
> >
> > Thanks very much!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Trotter
> >
> 
> Window manager settings.

Thanks a bundle!! Sorry I missed this earlier.

Trotter



      

From cathayan at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 03:19:10 2008
From: cathayan at gmail.com (cathayan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:19:10 +0800
Subject: session saving and autostart app
Message-ID: <3ac5e1e80806011819y3fc23f73qd1d178b594b67ccd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I installed google gadgets for linux 2 days ago and
made autostart for it because it had not had this feature.
The option of  "save the session" in the exit windows
is always checked. So after I start my computer again,
there are 2 google gadgets - one is from session saver,
and one is from the autostart.

How to avoid this? and the session saver seems not
save the app's options but only the command.

Thanks.

-- 
cathayan at gmail.com
http://blog.cathayan.org
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From erikharrison at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 04:14:49 2008
From: erikharrison at gmail.com (Erik Harrison)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:14:49 -0400
Subject: session saving and autostart app
In-Reply-To: <3ac5e1e80806011819y3fc23f73qd1d178b594b67ccd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ac5e1e80806011819y3fc23f73qd1d178b594b67ccd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b18a5420806011914q3934925dgf62ec664426ddf51@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM, cathayan <cathayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I installed google gadgets for linux 2 days ago and
> made autostart for it because it had not had this feature.
> The option of  "save the session" in the exit windows
> is always checked. So after I start my computer again,
> there are 2 google gadgets - one is from session saver,
> and one is from the autostart.
>
> How to avoid this? and the session saver seems not
> save the app's options but only the command.

The app seems not to be correctly saving its session.

Try this. Set the app up as autostarted, log in, set your desktop the
way you want it when you log in, kill google gadgets, log out saving
your session, then log in. From now on don't save your session, and
you should be okay.

>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> cathayan at gmail.com
> http://blog.cathayan.org
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>



-- 
Erik
"Ooooh, we've got this notion that we'd quite like to sail the ocean."

From cathayan at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 04:28:21 2008
From: cathayan at gmail.com (cathayan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:28:21 +0800
Subject: session saving and autostart app
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420806011914q3934925dgf62ec664426ddf51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ac5e1e80806011819y3fc23f73qd1d178b594b67ccd@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420806011914q3934925dgf62ec664426ddf51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ac5e1e80806011928w294adc7cid94c4cb6364961f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Erik Harrison <erikharrison at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM, cathayan <cathayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I installed google gadgets for linux 2 days ago and
> > made autostart for it because it had not had this feature.
> > The option of  "save the session" in the exit windows
> > is always checked. So after I start my computer again,
> > there are 2 google gadgets - one is from session saver,
> > and one is from the autostart.
> >
> > How to avoid this? and the session saver seems not
> > save the app's options but only the command.
>
> The app seems not to be correctly saving its session.
>
> Try this. Set the app up as autostarted, log in, set your desktop the
> way you want it when you log in, kill google gadgets, log out saving
> your session, then log in. From now on don't save your session, and
> you should be okay.
>
> Yes, that is ok. But I think there should be a feature for Xfce4 session
 saver: don't save autostart app's session.

I start the app with command like "ggl-gtk -s -bg", but the session saver
can only save "ggl-gtk" without "-s -bg", is this session saver's problem?
or I should report this to ggl-gtk's dev team?

-- 
cathayan at gmail.com
http://blog.cathayan.org
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From erikharrison at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 05:32:59 2008
From: erikharrison at gmail.com (Erik Harrison)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:32:59 -0400
Subject: session saving and autostart app
In-Reply-To: <3ac5e1e80806011928w294adc7cid94c4cb6364961f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ac5e1e80806011819y3fc23f73qd1d178b594b67ccd@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420806011914q3934925dgf62ec664426ddf51@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ac5e1e80806011928w294adc7cid94c4cb6364961f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b18a5420806012032j289a2080r17170d9030cbf056@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:28 PM, cathayan <cathayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Erik Harrison <erikharrison at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM, cathayan <cathayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I installed google gadgets for linux 2 days ago and
>> > made autostart for it because it had not had this feature.
>> > The option of  "save the session" in the exit windows
>> > is always checked. So after I start my computer again,
>> > there are 2 google gadgets - one is from session saver,
>> > and one is from the autostart.
>> >
>> > How to avoid this? and the session saver seems not
>> > save the app's options but only the command.
>>
>> The app seems not to be correctly saving its session.
>>
>> Try this. Set the app up as autostarted, log in, set your desktop the
>> way you want it when you log in, kill google gadgets, log out saving
>> your session, then log in. From now on don't save your session, and
>> you should be okay.
>>
> Yes, that is ok. But I think there should be a feature for Xfce4 session
>  saver: don't save autostart app's session.
>

Hmm. Not sure that's actually possible. Might be.

> I start the app with command like "ggl-gtk -s -bg", but the session saver
> can only save "ggl-gtk" without "-s -bg", is this session saver's problem?
> or I should report this to ggl-gtk's dev team?

Well, technically I suppose it could be either, but since the session
manager does this correctly for other apps, and it is the apps
responsibility to save its state, my money is that it's a bug with the
app.

>
> --
> cathayan at gmail.com
> http://blog.cathayan.org
> _______________________________________________
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> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>



-- 
Erik
"Ooooh, we've got this notion that we'd quite like to sail the ocean."

From wcw8410 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 05:34:42 2008
From: wcw8410 at gmail.com (Chuanwen Wu)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:34:42 +0800
Subject: Xfburn Feedback
In-Reply-To: <68b1e2610805281337p3e3e5d54pc6e368e50dd50887@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26450930805280542u4b71255hefb3724026c2ff90@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805280738y6f75ced1i818cb9ac3f8f5e75@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805280954u613a6303xbe3d5757abaaabb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281225y2fd4b4a8l5b3f20f76b310ca2@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281315s55a43386gf465a86b3394cf66@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281330k13320c11sacc7a237414818dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281337p3e3e5d54pc6e368e50dd50887@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7797aa370806012034p697878cbvcb376f75d71317b5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I want to burn a CD image and tried to use xfburn but failed.
I insert my BLANK  CD, and "create a new composition" in the xfburn,
then chose the *.iso file in my hard disk.
But the three buttons "Blank CD-RW", "Copy Data CD" and "Burn CD
Image" in the toolbar were mask - I mean they can't be pressed.
And the button "Burn composition" below can be pressed, but there was
not any response.

I use Gentoo linux and xfburn-0.3.0_pre20080321.

Any help will be appreciated!






-- 
wcw

From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon Jun  2 05:37:37 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:37:37 -0600
Subject: Xfburn Feedback
In-Reply-To: <7797aa370806012034p697878cbvcb376f75d71317b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26450930805280542u4b71255hefb3724026c2ff90@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805280738y6f75ced1i818cb9ac3f8f5e75@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805280954u613a6303xbe3d5757abaaabb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281225y2fd4b4a8l5b3f20f76b310ca2@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281315s55a43386gf465a86b3394cf66@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281330k13320c11sacc7a237414818dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281337p3e3e5d54pc6e368e50dd50887@mail.gmail.com>
	<7797aa370806012034p697878cbvcb376f75d71317b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472d4b250806012037q49401434sf25ed3071dbdb94@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Chuanwen Wu <wcw8410 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to burn a CD image and tried to use xfburn but failed.
> I insert my BLANK  CD, and "create a new composition" in the xfburn,
> then chose the *.iso file in my hard disk.
> But the three buttons "Blank CD-RW", "Copy Data CD" and "Burn CD
> Image" in the toolbar were mask - I mean they can't be pressed.
> And the button "Burn composition" below can be pressed, but there was
> not any response.
>
> I use Gentoo linux and xfburn-0.3.0_pre20080321.
>
> Any help will be appreciated!

Much has changed since then March. I'd appreciate it if you could try
a newer version like SVN trunk. Given that you use Gentoo, you have
everything you need to compile anyways.

If you don't like building by hand, we are about to make an official
release. I hope the Gentoo maintainers will soon after provide an
updated official ebuild.

Thanks,
~David

From wcw8410 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 09:27:34 2008
From: wcw8410 at gmail.com (Chuanwen Wu)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:27:34 +0800
Subject: Xfburn Feedback
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250806012037q49401434sf25ed3071dbdb94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26450930805280542u4b71255hefb3724026c2ff90@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805280738y6f75ced1i818cb9ac3f8f5e75@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805280954u613a6303xbe3d5757abaaabb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281225y2fd4b4a8l5b3f20f76b310ca2@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281315s55a43386gf465a86b3394cf66@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281330k13320c11sacc7a237414818dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281337p3e3e5d54pc6e368e50dd50887@mail.gmail.com>
	<7797aa370806012034p697878cbvcb376f75d71317b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250806012037q49401434sf25ed3071dbdb94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7797aa370806020027l31c26440p1b8e7c7c8efaaae3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> Much has changed since then March. I'd appreciate it if you could try
> a newer version like SVN trunk. Given that you use Gentoo, you have
> everything you need to compile anyways.
>
> If you don't like building by hand, we are about to make an official
> release. I hope the Gentoo maintainers will soon after provide an
> updated official ebuild.
>
I have tried the svn one: Xfburn 0.40svn-04883.
I have  "make" succeefully.
But every time I started the new version xfburn,  I got a warning
window with the message below:

No drives are currently available!
Maybe there is a mounted media in the drive?
Please unmount and restart the application.

Although I unmount and restart xfburn, nothing changed.
And I still found that the buttons "Burn Image" and "Blank Disc" and
"Copy Data CD" can't be clicked.
It seems that xfburn didn't detect my CD device.


-- 
wcw

From grantmasterflash at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 12:58:05 2008
From: grantmasterflash at gmail.com (Grant McWilliams)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:58:05 -0700
Subject: session saving and autostart app
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420806012032j289a2080r17170d9030cbf056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ac5e1e80806011819y3fc23f73qd1d178b594b67ccd@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420806011914q3934925dgf62ec664426ddf51@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ac5e1e80806011928w294adc7cid94c4cb6364961f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420806012032j289a2080r17170d9030cbf056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ed123fa30806020358m7a6aa696r9679aae19449d97c@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> >> > I installed google gadgets for linux 2 days ago and
> >> > made autostart for it because it had not had this feature.
> >> > The option of  "save the session" in the exit windows
> >> > is always checked. So after I start my computer again,
> >> > there are 2 google gadgets - one is from session saver,
> >> > and one is from the autostart.
> >> >
>
> >>
> > Yes, that is ok. But I think there should be a feature for Xfce4 session
> >  saver: don't save autostart app's session.
> >
>
> Hmm. Not sure that's actually possible. Might be.
>
> You could possibly make a script that deletes the entry in .cache for that
particular application and then set it up to autostart before the google
application.  I guess you can set autostart order. If not you could put it
in one of your X startup scripts.

I've had to much with the session settings in .cache because Pidgin likes to
start multiple copies if the cache isn't wiped out. I turned off "Save
session" and "Prompt on Logout" and deleted all files in .cache in order to
get Pidgin to stop starting multiple copies. It seems that the session
system in XFCE could be rethought. I just turn it off anymore.
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon Jun  2 17:04:39 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:04:39 -0600
Subject: session saving and autostart app
In-Reply-To: <ed123fa30806020358m7a6aa696r9679aae19449d97c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ac5e1e80806011819y3fc23f73qd1d178b594b67ccd@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420806011914q3934925dgf62ec664426ddf51@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ac5e1e80806011928w294adc7cid94c4cb6364961f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b18a5420806012032j289a2080r17170d9030cbf056@mail.gmail.com>
	<ed123fa30806020358m7a6aa696r9679aae19449d97c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472d4b250806020804p490212cbg402e106885916061@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Grant McWilliams
<grantmasterflash at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > I installed google gadgets for linux 2 days ago and
>> >> > made autostart for it because it had not had this feature.
>> >> > The option of  "save the session" in the exit windows
>> >> > is always checked. So after I start my computer again,
>> >> > there are 2 google gadgets - one is from session saver,
>> >> > and one is from the autostart.
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>> > Yes, that is ok. But I think there should be a feature for Xfce4 session
>> >  saver: don't save autostart app's session.
>> >
>>
>> Hmm. Not sure that's actually possible. Might be.
>>
> You could possibly make a script that deletes the entry in .cache for that
> particular application and then set it up to autostart before the google
> application.  I guess you can set autostart order. If not you could put it
> in one of your X startup scripts.
>
> I've had to much with the session settings in .cache because Pidgin likes to
> start multiple copies if the cache isn't wiped out. I turned off "Save
> session" and "Prompt on Logout" and deleted all files in .cache in order to
> get Pidgin to stop starting multiple copies. It seems that the session
> system in XFCE could be rethought. I just turn it off anymore.

I'm using pidgin with xfce, and see none of these problems. My session
gets always saved, and that's the way I have pidgin started. I have
never seen multiple copies of pidgin get started that way. Maybe there
is another reason why you ended up with multiple entries for pidgin in
your session?

~David

From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon Jun  2 18:28:55 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:28:55 -0600
Subject: Xfburn Feedback
In-Reply-To: <7797aa370806020027l31c26440p1b8e7c7c8efaaae3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26450930805280542u4b71255hefb3724026c2ff90@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805280738y6f75ced1i818cb9ac3f8f5e75@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805280954u613a6303xbe3d5757abaaabb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281225y2fd4b4a8l5b3f20f76b310ca2@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281315s55a43386gf465a86b3394cf66@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281330k13320c11sacc7a237414818dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281337p3e3e5d54pc6e368e50dd50887@mail.gmail.com>
	<7797aa370806012034p697878cbvcb376f75d71317b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250806012037q49401434sf25ed3071dbdb94@mail.gmail.com>
	<7797aa370806020027l31c26440p1b8e7c7c8efaaae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472d4b250806020928s774046dbw6405cbf34788d72e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Chuanwen Wu <wcw8410 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Much has changed since then March. I'd appreciate it if you could try
>> a newer version like SVN trunk. Given that you use Gentoo, you have
>> everything you need to compile anyways.
>>
>> If you don't like building by hand, we are about to make an official
>> release. I hope the Gentoo maintainers will soon after provide an
>> updated official ebuild.
>>
> I have tried the svn one: Xfburn 0.40svn-04883.
> I have  "make" succeefully.
> But every time I started the new version xfburn,  I got a warning
> window with the message below:
>
> No drives are currently available!
> Maybe there is a mounted media in the drive?
> Please unmount and restart the application.
>
> Although I unmount and restart xfburn, nothing changed.
> And I still found that the buttons "Burn Image" and "Blank Disc" and
> "Copy Data CD" can't be clicked.
> It seems that xfburn didn't detect my CD device.

Are you using a rewritable disc? Maybe an overzealous automount is at
work here. After you umount the disc, start xfburn and get the grayed
out buttons, what does "mount" tell you about the drive? Is it mounted
or not?

Another interesting thing to see would be the console output of xfburn
with debug enabled. If you run configure with --enable-debug, and then
post the console output here that would be great.

Thanks,
~David

From pggervais at yahoo.ca  Mon Jun  2 18:32:55 2008
From: pggervais at yahoo.ca (Pascal Gervais)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:32:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Xfburn Feedback
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250805280912gfce0e4dv28eaac4a8d632544@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43675.37909.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 --- David Mohr <damailings at mcbf.net> a ?crit : 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Pascal Gervais <pggervais at yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
> > What I find very weird:
> > When I create a new composition and click on the Add
> > button without selecting files or directories in the
> > file browser, xfburn seems to automatically select and
> > scan all my home directory. That may take considerable
> > time and require the user to kill the Xfburn process.
> > It would be nice to have a pop-up window showing the
> > status and where we could cancel the process.
> 
> Thanks for the info. I was aware of that problem, and I agree that
> it's very confusing. What we want to do is implement a adding
> progress dialog. I'm not sure I'll get to that before the next
> release, but I will think of a work-around in the meanwhile.
> 

Thank you very much for your quick reply and the work-around (warning)
for the home directory! This will be less confusing for new users of
Xfburn.

Sorry for my late response!

> ~David

Pascal



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From chuchiperriman at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 19:56:11 2008
From: chuchiperriman at gmail.com (Perriman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:56:11 +0200
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
Message-ID: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer>

Hi all,

	I have downloaded xfce from trunk and I have installed all the
libraries in ubuntu hardy (uninstalling all ubuntu packages). 

I find a problem: The xfce.desktop is not copied to the correct place.

I have copied it manually to /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop. I think
this is a bug...

Another problem is xfce4-mixer. I have compiled and installer it but I
cannot add the plugin into the panel. I cannot see this plugin in the
list.

Another problem: If I press alt+f2 to execute an application, I write
xfce4-terminal but nothing happends... If I execute terminal, it open a
terminal then I write xfce4-terminal into the another terminal and it
opens the new terminal (wohh!!! sorry for my english!)

The last problem and more important: When I compile some libraries, the
xfce menu disapear from the panel and I need restart and reinsert it in
the panel.

I don't know if It is some problem of my installation...

Regards,
	Perriman

From jannis at xfce.org  Mon Jun  2 20:07:57 2008
From: jannis at xfce.org (Jannis Pohlmann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:07:57 +0200
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer>
Message-ID: <20080602200757.56cdb4f2@84.200.240.9>

Am Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:56:11 +0200
schrieb Perriman <chuchiperriman at gmail.com>:

> Another problem is xfce4-mixer. I have compiled and installer it but I
> cannot add the plugin into the panel. I cannot see this plugin in the
> list.

The mixer in trunk doesn't have a plugin yet. It's currently being
rewritten.

  - Jannis
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Jun  2 20:15:46 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:15:46 -0700
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer>
Message-ID: <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>

Perriman wrote:

> I find a problem: The xfce.desktop is not copied to the correct place.
> 
> I have copied it manually to /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop. I think
> this is a bug...

No, this is probably either a) the location being distro-specific, or b) 
you installing Xfce to a prefix other than /usr.

> Another problem: If I press alt+f2 to execute an application, I write
> xfce4-terminal but nothing happends... If I execute terminal, it open a
> terminal then I write xfce4-terminal into the another terminal and it
> opens the new terminal (wohh!!! sorry for my english!)

Why are you using xfce4-terminal?  It is unmaintained and doesn't work 
very well.  You should be using Terminal.  Regardless, I have not 
experienced the problem you describe.

> The last problem and more important: When I compile some libraries, the
> xfce menu disapear from the panel and I need restart and reinsert it in
> the panel.

Yup, known issue.  libxfce4menu has some bugs that haven't been ironed 
out yet.  If this is a problem for you, you shouldn't be running svn 
trunk.  Don't ever expect it to be production-worthy, or even stable 
(though in practice it's usually pretty stable).

	-brian

From chuchiperriman at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 20:32:15 2008
From: chuchiperriman at gmail.com (Perriman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:32:15 +0200
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer>
	<484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20080602203215.3d54b23f@homer>

El Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:15:46 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> escribi?:

> Perriman wrote:
> 
> > I find a problem: The xfce.desktop is not copied to the correct
> > place.
> > 
> > I have copied it manually to /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop. I
> > think this is a bug...
> 
> No, this is probably either a) the location being distro-specific, or
> b) you installing Xfce to a prefix other than /usr.

I have installed the package using --prefix=/usr. I'm using ubuntu
hardy And you?

> 
> > Another problem: If I press alt+f2 to execute an application, I
> > write xfce4-terminal but nothing happends... If I execute terminal,
> > it open a terminal then I write xfce4-terminal into the another
> > terminal and it opens the new terminal (wohh!!! sorry for my
> > english!)
> 
> Why are you using xfce4-terminal?  It is unmaintained and doesn't
> work very well.  You should be using Terminal.  Regardless, I have
> not experienced the problem you describe.

OK, no problem I will forget this terminal :)

> 
> > The last problem and more important: When I compile some libraries,
> > the xfce menu disapear from the panel and I need restart and
> > reinsert it in the panel.
> 
> Yup, known issue.  libxfce4menu has some bugs that haven't been
> ironed out yet.  If this is a problem for you, you shouldn't be
> running svn trunk.  Don't ever expect it to be production-worthy, or
> even stable (though in practice it's usually pretty stable).

I want to develop for xfce and I need install the last source code, If
if prehaps I develop a plugin and it will not work for 4.5

Regards and thanks!

> 
> 	-brian
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org



From corsac at debian.org  Mon Jun  2 21:23:06 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:23:06 +0200
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer>  <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <1212434586.23328.5.camel@hidalgo>

On lun, 2008-06-02 at 11:15 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> > Another problem: If I press alt+f2 to execute an application, I
> write
> > xfce4-terminal but nothing happends... If I execute terminal, it
> open a
> > terminal then I write xfce4-terminal into the another terminal and
> it
> > opens the new terminal (wohh!!! sorry for my english!)
> 
> Why are you using xfce4-terminal?  It is unmaintained and doesn't
> work 
> very well.  You should be using Terminal.  Regardless, I have not 
> experienced the problem you describe.

xfce4-terminal is Terminal name under Debian/Ubuntu. Terminal was too
generic for a package and a command name, so we had to rename it.
xfce4-terminal was chosen because nobody knew at that time that there
was another (dead already) project named like this.

Cheers,
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon Jun  2 23:45:32 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:45:32 -0600
Subject: ANN: xfburn version 0.3 released
Message-ID: <472d4b250806021445w2bd31bfy5dda86f0c01c651@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

it is our pleasure to announce a new release of xfburn. We present you the
xfburn 0.3, our little application that just stepped in the new era of its
life. Here's a quick excerpt on what changed from previous release:

- Use libburn and libisofs (libburnia-project.org) instead of cdrtools
- Add support for writing ISO from a composition using libburn
- Add support for burning a composition using libburn
- DVD burning
- Formating and deformating of DVD-RW discs
- Removed buttons for not yet working functionality
- Use HAL to update disc status when a disc is inserted / removed
- Disable "Burn composition" button where there is no files in composition
- Avoid adding non regular files (bug #2179)
- Directory are sort before files in data composition
- Fix segfault when removing a file and one of its parent directory together
- Try to use media-optical and media-cdrom as themable icon before
gtk-cdrom in order to avoid crappy png icon being shown in Preferences
dialog
- Fix icon size in filesystem browser
- Add icons for actions based on icons from the Tango icontheme
- Detect and sort supported write speeds (#4012)
- Use correct cdrom size (bug #2753)
- Add new icons based on icons from the Tango icontheme
- List columns are resizable now (bug #2930)

You can grab it from http://www.xfce.org/~pollux/xfburn/xfburn-0.3.0.tar.gz .

There are of course a lot of other things we have polished which we want you to
discover. However, please do note that some restrictions do apply on
this release.
We *know* some features very important to you, like audio cd writing
or disc copy, are
missing. We will work on them, be patient with us. Play around with
xfburn and tell us
what you think, because your feedback is very valuable to us.

Sincerely,
David, Mario and Jean-Fran?ois

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Jun  3 05:08:12 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:08:12 -0700
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <1212434586.23328.5.camel@hidalgo>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer> <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
	<1212434586.23328.5.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <20080602200812.733cc54f@kepler>



On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:23:06 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:

> On lun, 2008-06-02 at 11:15 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> > > Another problem: If I press alt+f2 to execute an application, I
> > write
> > > xfce4-terminal but nothing happends... If I execute terminal, it
> > open a
> > > terminal then I write xfce4-terminal into the another terminal and
> > it
> > > opens the new terminal (wohh!!! sorry for my english!)
> > 
> > Why are you using xfce4-terminal?  It is unmaintained and doesn't
> > work 
> > very well.  You should be using Terminal.  Regardless, I have not 
> > experienced the problem you describe.
> 
> xfce4-terminal is Terminal name under Debian/Ubuntu. Terminal was too
> generic for a package and a command name, so we had to rename it.
> xfce4-terminal was chosen because nobody knew at that time that there
> was another (dead already) project named like this.

Right, but he's installing from SVN, so he'd get xfce4-terminal from the
xfce4-terminal module, and Terminal from the terminal module.

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Jun  3 05:15:28 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:15:28 -0700
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <20080602203215.3d54b23f@homer>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer> <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
	<20080602203215.3d54b23f@homer>
Message-ID: <20080602201528.1f3bf0da@kepler>

(Please don't CC: me.  I'm on the list, obviously.)

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:32:15 +0200 Perriman wrote:

> El Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:15:46 -0700
> "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> escribi?:
> 
> > Perriman wrote:
> > 
> > > I find a problem: The xfce.desktop is not copied to the correct
> > > place.
> > > 
> > > I have copied it manually to /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop. I
> > > think this is a bug...
> > 
> > No, this is probably either a) the location being distro-specific,
> > or b) you installing Xfce to a prefix other than /usr.
> 
> I have installed the package using --prefix=/usr. I'm using ubuntu
> hardy And you?

Not really relevant -- I don't use a display manager, so the file
doesn't get installed at all on my system.

Looking at the configure script, it appears that xfce.desktop gets
installed to $(datadir)/xsessions, so it should work properly if you
pass --enable-gdm to configure.  The logic for all that is pretty
crappy; feel free to submit a patch if you'd like to clean it up.

> > > The last problem and more important: When I compile some
> > > libraries, the xfce menu disapear from the panel and I need
> > > restart and reinsert it in the panel.
> > 
> > Yup, known issue.  libxfce4menu has some bugs that haven't been
> > ironed out yet.  If this is a problem for you, you shouldn't be
> > running svn trunk.  Don't ever expect it to be production-worthy, or
> > even stable (though in practice it's usually pretty stable).
> 
> I want to develop for xfce and I need install the last source code, If
> if prehaps I develop a plugin and it will not work for 4.5

The plugin API in 4.4 and 4.5/4.6 are compatible; no need to develop
against svn trunk if you just want to write a panel plugin.

	-brian

From enrico.troeger at uvena.de  Tue Jun  3 07:27:38 2008
From: enrico.troeger at uvena.de (Enrico =?UTF-8?B?VHLDtmdlcg==?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:27:38 +0200
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <20080602200812.733cc54f@kepler>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer> <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
	<1212434586.23328.5.camel@hidalgo> <20080602200812.733cc54f@kepler>
Message-ID: <20080603072738.a8e48fb7.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:08:12 -0700, "Brian J. Tarricone"
<bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:23:06 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> 
> > On lun, 2008-06-02 at 11:15 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> > > > Another problem: If I press alt+f2 to execute an application, I
> > > write
> > > > xfce4-terminal but nothing happends... If I execute terminal, it
> > > open a
> > > > terminal then I write xfce4-terminal into the another terminal
> > > > and
> > > it
> > > > opens the new terminal (wohh!!! sorry for my english!)
> > > 
> > > Why are you using xfce4-terminal?  It is unmaintained and doesn't
> > > work 
> > > very well.  You should be using Terminal.  Regardless, I have not 
> > > experienced the problem you describe.
> > 
> > xfce4-terminal is Terminal name under Debian/Ubuntu. Terminal was
> > too generic for a package and a command name, so we had to rename
> > it. xfce4-terminal was chosen because nobody knew at that time that
> > there was another (dead already) project named like this.
> 
> Right, but he's installing from SVN, so he'd get xfce4-terminal from
> the xfce4-terminal module, and Terminal from the terminal module.

Just an idea: why not moving the dead xfce4-terminal in SVN into the
xfce-archive repository, then it is still there but usually people
don't get in contact with it and so might bit less confused by two
terminal programs in Xfce.


Regards,
Enrico

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From sunshinecoast at swipnet.se  Tue Jun  3 07:51:20 2008
From: sunshinecoast at swipnet.se (Anders Lind)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:51:20 +0200
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn 
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From: sunshinecoast at swipnet.se (Anders Lind)
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From grantmasterflash at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 08:21:21 2008
From: grantmasterflash at gmail.com (Grant McWilliams)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:21:21 -0700
Subject: session saving and autostart app
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David,
   I have 60 machines in the field and the problem is consistent. There is
usually a second Pidgin started but on occasion a third. They're all running
CentOS5.1 and XFCE 4.4. I had to write a routine in the configuration script
for the boxes that deletes the cache in .cache and turns off saving cache on
exit. This was the only solution that worked all the time. I have a personal
machine with Ubuntu and  XFCE 4.4 and don't have the problem but then again
I reboot it once every year or so! The machines in the field get rebooted
several times daily depending on how much they get moved.

Once I solved the problem I didn't look into it further but what it seemed
like was happening was when the session closed it would record a pidgin
instance but pidgin was being autostarted so it would get started in both
places. If the user didn't kill one of them and just logged out then the
next time he'd have three instances running. The usual advice I get from
XFCEers is to log in and run the apps that I want and then log out and save
the session. That's a bit messy on 60 computers (soon to be 100). Everything
has to be scripted and just getting rid of the session control worked.

Grant

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:04 AM, David Mohr <damailings at mcbf.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Grant McWilliams
> <grantmasterflash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > I installed google gadgets for linux 2 days ago and
> >> >> > made autostart for it because it had not had this feature.
> >> >> > The option of  "save the session" in the exit windows
> >> >> > is always checked. So after I start my computer again,
> >> >> > there are 2 google gadgets - one is from session saver,
> >> >> > and one is from the autostart.
> >> >> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Yes, that is ok. But I think there should be a feature for Xfce4
> session
> >> >  saver: don't save autostart app's session.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hmm. Not sure that's actually possible. Might be.
> >>
> > You could possibly make a script that deletes the entry in .cache for
> that
> > particular application and then set it up to autostart before the google
> > application.  I guess you can set autostart order. If not you could put
> it
> > in one of your X startup scripts.
> >
> > I've had to much with the session settings in .cache because Pidgin likes
> to
> > start multiple copies if the cache isn't wiped out. I turned off "Save
> > session" and "Prompt on Logout" and deleted all files in .cache in order
> to
> > get Pidgin to stop starting multiple copies. It seems that the session
> > system in XFCE could be rethought. I just turn it off anymore.
>
> I'm using pidgin with xfce, and see none of these problems. My session
> gets always saved, and that's the way I have pidgin started. I have
> never seen multiple copies of pidgin get started that way. Maybe there
> is another reason why you ended up with multiple entries for pidgin in
> your session?
>
> ~David
> _______________________________________________
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> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
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>



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From srandall52 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 13:43:19 2008
From: srandall52 at sbcglobal.net (Steve Randall)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:43:19 -0500
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn
References: <web-10010778@mailbe02.swip.net>
Message-ID: <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:51:20 +0200
"Anders Lind" <sunshinecoast at swipnet.se> wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> I know that this might not be the correct forum for this question but with some luck (?) somebody has experienced this when installing xfburn and can give me a hint what I can do. I wanted to try and run xfburn and needs to install libburn but I get an error that says: Undefined reference to 'cam_close_device'
>  
> I am using FreeBSD 7.0 on an amd64 processor
>  
> I just got a tip in the #libburn IRC channel that FreeBSD is not supported by libburn so my question might be instead if anyone has been able to run xfburn on FreeBSD and if so how you did it.

I did this just yesterday, using FreeBSD 7.0 on i386 architecture,
perhaps this will work for you.

For libburn.

LIBS=-lcam ./configure
gmake install

For libisofs (which will be next on your list).

Patch libisofs/messages.c, adding #include <sys/types.h> before
#include "libiso_msgs.h"

CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib \
LIBS=-liconv ./configure
gmake install

For xfburn itself.

GMSGFMT=msgfmt ./configure
gmake install


From sunshinecoast at swipnet.se  Tue Jun  3 15:08:46 2008
From: sunshinecoast at swipnet.se (Anders Lind)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:08:46 +0200
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn
In-Reply-To: <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>
References: <web-10010778@mailbe02.swip.net> <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>
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From srandall52 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 16:00:54 2008
From: srandall52 at sbcglobal.net (Steve Randall)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:00:54 -0500
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn
References: <web-10010778@mailbe02.swip.net> <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>
	<web-10084913@mailbe02.swip.net>
Message-ID: <20080603090054.24bb6104@locust>

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:08:46 +0200
"Anders Lind" <sunshinecoast at swipnet.se> wrote:

> Thanks for your help
>  
> > I did this just yesterday, using FreeBSD 7.0 on i386
> >architecture,
> > perhaps this will work for you.
> >
> >For libburn.
> >
> > LIBS=-lcam ./configure
> > gmake install
> This part worked great
> >
> >For libisofs (which will be next on your list).
> >
> > Patch libisofs/messages.c, adding #include
> >before
> > #include "libiso_msgs.h"
> >
> > CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib \
> > LIBS=-liconv ./configure
>  
> Here is where it stopped now it says CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include Command Not Found

This means you are in the csh shell, probably because you are (now)
logged in as root. The easiest fix is probably to type sh to get a
Bourne shell, and issue the command under that. (Or bash, if you have
it.)

I should have mentioned this, but I guessed you would already know. :)

I should also mention that I have not tried burning anything yet.
xfburn runs, and recognizes various media, which is a good sign.
However, if there are any CAM-specific bugs, we are both out of luck,
because libburn definitely appears to be unmaintained for FreeBSD.


From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 16:09:36 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:09:36 +0200
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn
In-Reply-To: <web-10084913@mailbe02.swip.net>
References: <web-10010778@mailbe02.swip.net> <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>
	<web-10084913@mailbe02.swip.net>
Message-ID: <20080603140936.GA4317@failure.del>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 03:08:46PM +0200, Anders Lind wrote:
> <div id="_htmlarea_default_style_" style="font:10pt arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><DIV>Thanks for your
> help</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&gt; I did this just yesterday, using FreeBSD 7.0 on i386 <BR>&gt;architecture,<BR>&gt; perhaps this will work for you.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;For libburn.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; LIBS=-lcam ./configure<BR>&gt; gmake
> install<BR></DIV>
> <DIV>This part worked great</DIV>
> <DIV>&gt; <BR>&gt;For libisofs (which will be next on your list).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Patch libisofs/messages.c, adding #include <SYS types.h><BR>&gt;before<BR>&gt; #include "libiso_msgs.h"<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib \<BR>&gt; LIBS=-liconv
> ./configure</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Here is where it stopped now it says CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include Command Not Found</DIV>
> <DIV><BR>Cheers <BR>Anders</DIV></div>

Please don't send your mails to the mailing-list in HTML format.

Thanks
Mike

From sunshinecoast at swipnet.se  Tue Jun  3 16:06:57 2008
From: sunshinecoast at swipnet.se (Anders Lind)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:06:57 +0200
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn
In-Reply-To: <20080603140936.GA4317@failure.del>
References: <web-10010778@mailbe02.swip.net> <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>
	<web-10084913@mailbe02.swip.net>
	<20080603140936.GA4317@failure.del>
Message-ID: <20080603160657.7a9444d3@swedebear.homeunix.net>

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:09:36 +0200
Mike Massonnet <mmassonnet at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 03:08:46PM +0200, Anders Lind wrote:
> > <div id="_htmlarea_default_style_" style="font:10pt
> > arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><DIV>Thanks for your help</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>&gt; I did this just yesterday, using FreeBSD 7.0 on i386
> > <BR>&gt;architecture,<BR>&gt; perhaps this will work for
> > you.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;For libburn.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;
> > LIBS=-lcam ./configure<BR>&gt; gmake install<BR></DIV> <DIV>This
> > part worked great</DIV> <DIV>&gt; <BR>&gt;For libisofs (which will
> > be next on your list).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Patch libisofs/messages.c,
> > adding #include <SYS types.h><BR>&gt;before<BR>&gt; #include
> > "libiso_msgs.h"<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include
> > LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib \<BR>&gt; LIBS=-liconv ./configure</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Here is where it stopped now it says
> > CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include Command Not Found</DIV> <DIV><BR>Cheers
> > <BR>Anders</DIV></div>
> 
> Please don't send your mails to the mailing-list in HTML format.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike

Unfortunately the webmail that I sent this from only send in HTML
format, but thanks for the heads up

/Anders

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 16:12:44 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:12:44 +0200
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn
In-Reply-To: <web-10084913@mailbe02.swip.net>
References: <web-10010778@mailbe02.swip.net> <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>
	<web-10084913@mailbe02.swip.net>
Message-ID: <20080603141244.GB4317@failure.del>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 03:08:46PM +0200, Anders Lind wrote:
> Thanks for your help
>  
> > I did this just yesterday, using FreeBSD 7.0 on i386
> >architecture,
> > perhaps this will work for you.
> >
> >For libburn.
> >
> > LIBS=-lcam ./configure
> > gmake install
> This part worked great
> >
> >For libisofs (which will be next on your list).
> >
> > Patch libisofs/messages.c, adding #include
> h>
> >before
> > #include "libiso_msgs.h"
> >
> > CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib \
> > LIBS=-liconv ./configure
>  
> Here is where it stopped now it says CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include Command Not
> Found

That is a problem with your shell, I think you can bypass that by
exporting each variable before executing configure, e.g.:

export CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include
export LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib
export LIBS=-liconv
./configure

> Cheers
> Anders

HTH
Mike

From sunshinecoast at swipnet.se  Tue Jun  3 16:07:42 2008
From: sunshinecoast at swipnet.se (Anders Lind)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:07:42 +0200
Subject: [OT?] Problems with libburn
In-Reply-To: <20080603090054.24bb6104@locust>
References: <web-10010778@mailbe02.swip.net> <20080603064319.56ed19ce@locust>
	<web-10084913@mailbe02.swip.net> <20080603090054.24bb6104@locust>
Message-ID: <20080603160742.3ef4bf1d@swedebear.homeunix.net>

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:00:54 -0500
Steve Randall <srandall52 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:08:46 +0200
> "Anders Lind" <sunshinecoast at swipnet.se> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for your help
> >  
> > > I did this just yesterday, using FreeBSD 7.0 on i386
> > >architecture,
> > > perhaps this will work for you.
> > >
> > >For libburn.
> > >
> > > LIBS=-lcam ./configure
> > > gmake install
> > This part worked great
> > >
> > >For libisofs (which will be next on your list).
> > >
> > > Patch libisofs/messages.c, adding #include
> > >before
> > > #include "libiso_msgs.h"
> > >
> > > CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib \
> > > LIBS=-liconv ./configure
> >  
> > Here is where it stopped now it says CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include
> > Command Not Found
> 
> This means you are in the csh shell, probably because you are (now)
> logged in as root. The easiest fix is probably to type sh to get a
> Bourne shell, and issue the command under that. (Or bash, if you have
> it.)
> 
> I should have mentioned this, but I guessed you would already know. :)
> 
> I should also mention that I have not tried burning anything yet.
> xfburn runs, and recognizes various media, which is a good sign.
> However, if there are any CAM-specific bugs, we are both out of luck,
> because libburn definitely appears to be unmaintained for FreeBSD.

Indeed it does, I ran into other problems now, but I am on the way out
for the moment, but will look at it again later tonight

/Anders

From wcw8410 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 17:08:08 2008
From: wcw8410 at gmail.com (Chuanwen Wu)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:08:08 +0800
Subject: Xfburn Feedback
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250806020928s774046dbw6405cbf34788d72e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26450930805280542u4b71255hefb3724026c2ff90@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805280954u613a6303xbe3d5757abaaabb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281225y2fd4b4a8l5b3f20f76b310ca2@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281315s55a43386gf465a86b3394cf66@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281330k13320c11sacc7a237414818dd@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7797aa370806030808u74d06333t34f07221fc671d0b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> Are you using a rewritable disc?
No, I used "CD-Recordable" disc.

> Maybe an overzealous automount is at
> work here. After you umount the disc, start xfburn and get the grayed
> out buttons, what does "mount" tell you about the drive? Is it mounted
> or not?

I didn't umount the disc. Because
 # umount /dev/hda
umount: /dev/hda: not mounted
(hda is my cd device, I am very sure)

And of course I can't see my hda through "mount", so it's not mounted.

>
> Another interesting thing to see would be the console output of xfburn
> with debug enabled. If you run configure with --enable-debug, and then
> post the console output here that would be great.

Here is the output:
$ xfburn
DBG[xfburn-settings.c:302] load_settings(): parsed
** Message: Using Thunar-VFS 0.9.0

>
> Thanks,
> ~David
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>



-- 
wcw

From mailing_list at orange.nl  Tue Jun  3 19:36:42 2008
From: mailing_list at orange.nl (mailing_list)
Date: Tue,  3 Jun 2008 19:36:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Is it possible to better integrate xfce with firefox?
Message-ID: <24610973.1670951212514602178.JavaMail.www@wwinf6302>

Hi,

When using firefox in Gnome the 'save as' option shows the trash bin and also mounted cd's and usb sticks. Strangely enough this isn't the case for xfce. What is the reason? Bot use GTK afaik. Is it possible to 'fix' this?

Regards,

Aniruddha


From jasper at xfce.org  Tue Jun  3 21:21:38 2008
From: jasper at xfce.org (Jasper Huijsmans)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:21:38 +0200
Subject: ANN: xfburn version 0.3 released
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250806021445w2bd31bfy5dda86f0c01c651@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472d4b250806021445w2bd31bfy5dda86f0c01c651@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9168d7f0806031221o2c7d4f26td9c5f2354b2bc5@mail.gmail.com>

Heya David, JF,

2008/6/2 David Mohr <damailings at mcbf.net>:

[lots of amazing progress]

> We *know* some features very important to you, like audio cd writing
> or disc copy, are
> missing. We will work on them, be patient with us. Play around with
> xfburn and tell us
> what you think, because your feedback is very valuable to us.

I don't very often burn CD's and I never even tried burning a DVD, ut,
xfburn works like a charm for me on CD-RW's.  I can't really put my
finger on it, but xfburn seems to just do what I need, it feels very
comfortable.

Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks, you've done a great job!

cheers,

    Jasper

From xfce at rlworkman.net  Tue Jun  3 21:27:11 2008
From: xfce at rlworkman.net (Robby Workman)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:27:11 -0500
Subject: ANN: xfburn version 0.3 released
In-Reply-To: <9168d7f0806031221o2c7d4f26td9c5f2354b2bc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472d4b250806021445w2bd31bfy5dda86f0c01c651@mail.gmail.com>
	<9168d7f0806031221o2c7d4f26td9c5f2354b2bc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48459B0F.2040704@rlworkman.net>

Jasper Huijsmans wrote:
> Heya David, JF,
> 
> 2008/6/2 David Mohr <damailings at mcbf.net>:
> 
> [lots of amazing progress]
> 
>> We *know* some features very important to you, like audio cd writing
>> or disc copy, are
>> missing. We will work on them, be patient with us. Play around with
>> xfburn and tell us
>> what you think, because your feedback is very valuable to us.
> 
> I don't very often burn CD's and I never even tried burning a DVD, ut,
> xfburn works like a charm for me on CD-RW's.  I can't really put my
> finger on it, but xfburn seems to just do what I need, it feels very
> comfortable.
> 
> Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks, you've done a great job!


Full ACK here too.
Thanks, guys.

-RW

From kurageart at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 21:32:28 2008
From: kurageart at gmail.com (claudio castelli)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:32:28 +0200
Subject: blender shortcuts and xfce (xubuntu)
Message-ID: <722e363d0806031232k17bd78ccl7f6361929b56d90a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.. I'm a blender user, and i switched from ubuntu to xubuntu for the
lightness and cleanness of Xfce?
Now, bleder uses a very important shortcut for selecting edges loops,
alt+rbm ?wich are not working by default even in Gnome. Do you know ho to
disable it in Xfce? I tried both from keyboard preferences, and from window
manager.. without any results..
Also, on this page i found some hidden configurations:
http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4

"
Hidden options

Some hidden options allow you to customize *xfwm4* behaviour. They have to
be added by hand to your HOME/.config/xfce4/xfwm4/xfwm4rc file. You may have
to create this file.


easy_click=false

Add this line to your xfwm4rc file if you want to disable the ability to
move and resize windows using the Alt button + mouse click shortcut.
I followed the indications but everything just works as before...
I hope someone there will be able to help!
thanks!
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From imnotb at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 21:40:30 2008
From: imnotb at gmail.com (Vincent)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:40:30 +0200
Subject: blender shortcuts and xfce (xubuntu)
In-Reply-To: <722e363d0806031232k17bd78ccl7f6361929b56d90a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <722e363d0806031232k17bd78ccl7f6361929b56d90a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <749ebd440806031240r3feaf0deo4b2a0b760d37bcf@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/3/08, claudio castelli <kurageart at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi.. I'm a blender user, and i switched from ubuntu to xubuntu for the
> lightness and cleanness of Xfce?
> Now, bleder uses a very important shortcut for selecting edges loops,
> alt+rbm ?wich are not working by default even in Gnome. Do you know ho to
> disable it in Xfce? I tried both from keyboard preferences, and from window
> manager.. without any results..
> Also, on this page i found some hidden configurations:
> http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4
>
> "
> Hidden options
>
> Some hidden options allow you to customize *xfwm4* behaviour. They have to
> be added by hand to your HOME/.config/xfce4/xfwm4/xfwm4rc file. You may have
> to create this file.
>
>
> easy_click=false
>
> Add this line to your xfwm4rc file if you want to disable the ability to
> move and resize windows using the Alt button + mouse click shortcut.
> I followed the indications but everything just works as before...
> I hope someone there will be able to help!
> thanks!
>

Have you restarted the graphical environment? You can do so by pressing
Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (NOTE: this will close everything and bring you back to
the login screen, so be sure to save any open work).

-- 
Vincent
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From chuchiperriman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 00:41:25 2008
From: chuchiperriman at gmail.com (Chuchi Perriman)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:41:25 +0200
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <20080603072738.a8e48fb7.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer> <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
	<1212434586.23328.5.camel@hidalgo> <20080602200812.733cc54f@kepler>
	<20080603072738.a8e48fb7.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
Message-ID: <80b52c2b0806031541n52274468kd19f20e6e047b7ae@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

   Xfce menu handling has changed and I have updated my xfce to
develop with the last API. I think it is for use xdg specs. Using xdg
mechanism in the current 4.4.2 version, I cannot get the files
correctly but now with xfce 4.5 I get the desktop files fine.

I want to develop a panel plugin like gnome menu launcher. It is a
launcher but you select the application instead of write the command
and select the icon manually.

I will develop an external panel plugin first and when fisnish I will
try to do a patch for the current launcher to support insert the
command manually or select the application from a list.

I don't write --enable-gdm when I did build the package, I think this
is the problem with xfce.desktop

Thanks all!!


2008/6/3 Enrico Tr?ger <enrico.troeger at uvena.de>:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:08:12 -0700, "Brian J. Tarricone"
> <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:23:06 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
>>
>> > On lun, 2008-06-02 at 11:15 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
>> > > > Another problem: If I press alt+f2 to execute an application, I
>> > > write
>> > > > xfce4-terminal but nothing happends... If I execute terminal, it
>> > > open a
>> > > > terminal then I write xfce4-terminal into the another terminal
>> > > > and
>> > > it
>> > > > opens the new terminal (wohh!!! sorry for my english!)
>> > >
>> > > Why are you using xfce4-terminal?  It is unmaintained and doesn't
>> > > work
>> > > very well.  You should be using Terminal.  Regardless, I have not
>> > > experienced the problem you describe.
>> >
>> > xfce4-terminal is Terminal name under Debian/Ubuntu. Terminal was
>> > too generic for a package and a command name, so we had to rename
>> > it. xfce4-terminal was chosen because nobody knew at that time that
>> > there was another (dead already) project named like this.
>>
>> Right, but he's installing from SVN, so he'd get xfce4-terminal from
>> the xfce4-terminal module, and Terminal from the terminal module.
>
> Just an idea: why not moving the dead xfce4-terminal in SVN into the
> xfce-archive repository, then it is still there but usually people
> don't get in contact with it and so might bit less confused by two
> terminal programs in Xfce.
>
>
> Regards,
> Enrico
>
> --
> Get my GPG key from http://www.uvena.de/pub.asc
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>

From john at jcoppens.com  Wed Jun  4 05:30:49 2008
From: john at jcoppens.com (John Coppens)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:30:49 -0300
Subject: Strange (redirection) problem
Message-ID: <20080604003049.fe4dd02e.john@jcoppens.com>

Hello people.

I've had quite a few inexplainable problems since I installed a few new
libraries, and particularly one is very annoying.

I'm not sure it's an Xfce problem, but here goes:

For some reason, output that would normally disappear, is now appearing
in rxvt terminal windows. I normally have 4 or 5 rxvt's open to edit
programs and such, and now, one or two of them (not simultaneously)
receive status messages from other programs, such as Sylpheed, which was
launched from the menu (_not_ a terminal). I've also seen messages from
gnumeric!

This seems as if stderr is redirected to one of the terminals, but how
could this happen?

John

From jasper at xfce.org  Wed Jun  4 15:07:09 2008
From: jasper at xfce.org (Jasper Huijsmans)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:07:09 +0200
Subject: XFCE from trunk problems
In-Reply-To: <80b52c2b0806031541n52274468kd19f20e6e047b7ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080602195611.02376c2d@homer> <484438D2.70509@cornell.edu>
	<1212434586.23328.5.camel@hidalgo> <20080602200812.733cc54f@kepler>
	<20080603072738.a8e48fb7.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
	<80b52c2b0806031541n52274468kd19f20e6e047b7ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9168d7f0806040607l6410bae8o810efbec1ff804a3@mail.gmail.com>

2008/6/4 Chuchi Perriman <chuchiperriman at gmail.com>:
> Hi all
>
>   Xfce menu handling has changed and I have updated my xfce to
> develop with the last API. I think it is for use xdg specs. Using xdg
> mechanism in the current 4.4.2 version, I cannot get the files
> correctly but now with xfce 4.5 I get the desktop files fine.

I think you should be able to use Xfce 4.4 and just install
libxfce4menu from SVN.  Although, maybe you will need updated
libraries as well.

>
> I want to develop a panel plugin like gnome menu launcher. It is a
> launcher but you select the application instead of write the command
> and select the icon manually.

Cool. Make sure you have a look at the xfce4-appfinder code in SVN
trunk, you may be able to use some of that code.

-- 
 Jasper

From arnau at emergetux.net  Wed Jun  4 17:44:17 2008
From: arnau at emergetux.net (Arnau Bria)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:44:17 +0200
Subject: xpad trick?
Message-ID: <20080604174417.656915e7@lx-arnau.pic.es>

Hi,

I've recently installed xpad, works fine, but I'd like to avoid it when
switching between apps with Alt+TAB.

Is this possible?


TIA,
-- 
Arnau Bria
http://blog.emergetux.net
Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity

From damailings at mcbf.net  Thu Jun  5 07:26:53 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:26:53 -0600
Subject: Xfburn Feedback
In-Reply-To: <7797aa370806030808u74d06333t34f07221fc671d0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26450930805280542u4b71255hefb3724026c2ff90@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281225y2fd4b4a8l5b3f20f76b310ca2@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281315s55a43386gf465a86b3394cf66@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250805281330k13320c11sacc7a237414818dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b1e2610805281337p3e3e5d54pc6e368e50dd50887@mail.gmail.com>
	<7797aa370806012034p697878cbvcb376f75d71317b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250806012037q49401434sf25ed3071dbdb94@mail.gmail.com>
	<7797aa370806020027l31c26440p1b8e7c7c8efaaae3@mail.gmail.com>
	<472d4b250806020928s774046dbw6405cbf34788d72e@mail.gmail.com>
	<7797aa370806030808u74d06333t34f07221fc671d0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472d4b250806042226v49c1b6d9lb0863eafe2d9f427@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Chuanwen Wu <wcw8410 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Are you using a rewritable disc?
> No, I used "CD-Recordable" disc.
>
>> Maybe an overzealous automount is at
>> work here. After you umount the disc, start xfburn and get the grayed
>> out buttons, what does "mount" tell you about the drive? Is it mounted
>> or not?
>
> I didn't umount the disc. Because
>  # umount /dev/hda
> umount: /dev/hda: not mounted
> (hda is my cd device, I am very sure)
>
> And of course I can't see my hda through "mount", so it's not mounted.

Ok. I thought that maybe a mounted disc prevented xfburn from finding
your drive, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Could you maybe post the output of 'dmesg | grep hda', so that we can
see what kind of drive you have in your system?

>> Another interesting thing to see would be the console output of xfburn
>> with debug enabled. If you run configure with --enable-debug, and then
>> post the console output here that would be great.
>
> Here is the output:
> $ xfburn
> DBG[xfburn-settings.c:302] load_settings(): parsed
> ** Message: Using Thunar-VFS 0.9.0

Looks like no drives were detected. I added some additional console
output, could you maybe retry with trunk (rev. 4886 or newer)?

Thanks,
~David

From pangdae at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 22:22:36 2008
From: pangdae at gmail.com (Pang Dawei)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 04:22:36 +0800
Subject: How to compile ui.xml to ui.h
Message-ID: <cc09604f0806051322n6ec55a42wd0cda3428fa2f653@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,all
    I modified thunar-window-ui.xml, and need to thunar-window-ui.h.
    I check the source code of  thunar-window-ui.h. I found that is
"automatically generated from ./thunar-window-ui.xml".
But I run the make command, the thunar-window-ui.h cannot be generated.
    Can you help me how can I compile the thunar-window-ui.xml to
thunar-window-ui.h.
    Thank you very much.
-- 
--Pang Dawei

From enrico.troeger at uvena.de  Thu Jun  5 23:09:19 2008
From: enrico.troeger at uvena.de (Enrico =?UTF-8?B?VHLDtmdlcg==?=)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 23:09:19 +0200
Subject: How to compile ui.xml to ui.h
In-Reply-To: <cc09604f0806051322n6ec55a42wd0cda3428fa2f653@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cc09604f0806051322n6ec55a42wd0cda3428fa2f653@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080605230919.8f1aa801.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 04:22:36 +0800, "Pang Dawei" <pangdae at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,all
>     I modified thunar-window-ui.xml, and need to thunar-window-ui.h.
>     I check the source code of  thunar-window-ui.h. I found that is
> "automatically generated from ./thunar-window-ui.xml".
> But I run the make command, the thunar-window-ui.h cannot be
> generated. Can you help me how can I compile the thunar-window-ui.xml
> to thunar-window-ui.h.

Just a wild guess into the dark without having tested it:
try to configure thunar with
./configure --enable-maintainer-mode ...

Maybe it does the trick.

Regards,
Enrico

-- 
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From ongardie at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 20:05:39 2008
From: ongardie at gmail.com (ongardie@gmail.com)
Date: Sat,  7 Jun 2008 18:05:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: ANN: xfce4-places-plugin version 1.1.0 released
Message-ID: <20080607180539.861B1F29DD@mocha.foo-projects.org>

Announcing xfce4-places-plugin v1.1.0

I haven't worked on the places plugin very much lately, but I think
there was enough there from before to warrant a release. Here are the
highlights:

 * "xfce4-popup-places" command to open the menu (thanks Mike)
 * Error messages when mounts/unmounts fail
 * Grays out panel icon while busy (un)mounting
 * Multiple bug fixes and enhancements (see ChangeLog)

Download this release:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-places-plugin/xfce4-places-plugin-1.1.0.tar.bz2

Changelog:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-places-plugin/ChangeLog

Project website:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-places-plugin/

From imnotb at gmail.com  Sun Jun  8 13:43:44 2008
From: imnotb at gmail.com (Vincent)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:43:44 +0000
Subject: ANN: xfce4-places-plugin version 1.1.0 released
In-Reply-To: <20080607180539.861B1F29DD@mocha.foo-projects.org>
References: <20080607180539.861B1F29DD@mocha.foo-projects.org>
Message-ID: <749ebd440806080443l349cab13gf8899b3262c4aa55@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:05 PM, <ongardie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Announcing xfce4-places-plugin v1.1.0
>
> I haven't worked on the places plugin very much lately, but I think
> there was enough there from before to warrant a release. Here are the
> highlights:
>
>  * "xfce4-popup-places" command to open the menu (thanks Mike)
>  * Error messages when mounts/unmounts fail
>  * Grays out panel icon while busy (un)mounting
>  * Multiple bug fixes and enhancements (see ChangeLog)
>
> Download this release:
>
> http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-places-plugin/xfce4-places-plugin-1.1.0.tar.bz2
>
> Changelog:
>  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-places-plugin/ChangeLog
>
> Project website:
>  http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-places-plugin/


I'm currently translating it to Dutch, however, there's no msgid for "Clear"
in Recent Documents. There's no .pot file either.

Thanks,
-- 
Vincent
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From ongardie at gmail.com  Sun Jun  8 13:54:54 2008
From: ongardie at gmail.com (Diego Ongaro)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:54:54 +0100
Subject: ANN: xfce4-places-plugin version 1.1.0 released
In-Reply-To: <749ebd440806080443l349cab13gf8899b3262c4aa55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080607180539.861B1F29DD@mocha.foo-projects.org>
	<749ebd440806080443l349cab13gf8899b3262c4aa55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <115252780806080454i5a38e5f3rdc35af7a3d6e900@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:43, Vincent <imnotb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm currently translating it to Dutch, however, there's no msgid for "Clear"
> in Recent Documents. There's no .pot file either.

The "Clear" menu item is one of the GTK stock ones. I think it should
already be translated by GTK.

I just added a pot file to svn trunk.

-Diego

From kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr  Mon Jun  9 01:38:13 2008
From: kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr (kevin)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:38:13 +0200
Subject: xfce and xdmcp
Message-ID: <484C6D65.9040904@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

first of all, I am not sure my title is correct, as I do not guess where 
my problem comes from.

I manage a lan in a primary French school, built up whith old pcs 
configured as X terminals. We use debian etch.

In each classroom there are several Xterms and 1 "powerful" pc (PIV 2.4 
Ghz) configured as "application server".
 When booting a pc (Xterm or not), xdmcp displays its chooser list, then 
the user chooses one application server among those which are 
avalaibles, then he logs in.

We exports home files from another server using nis and nfs.

We previously used KDE.

Now I reinstalled all the computers, (xterms and applications serveurs) 
: debian etch, kdm and xfce. Now, only xfce is installed, neither KDE 
nor gnome are installed any more.

The nfs server stays unchanged, which means the old config files for KDE 
are still unchanged in each /home/<user>.

The problem is :
* if a user sits down in front of an xterm, (then choose a server, then 
logs in) its desktop displays icons, the background is the debian 
spiral, and plugging a usb key displays an icon
* if the same user sits down in front of an application server, then 
choose *this* server, then logs in, then its desktop displays no icons, 
the background is the xfce mouse, and plugging a usb key displays no 
icon. And clicking onto "xfce parameters" displays nothing.



I tried to destroy all .kde/ and .gnome*: same problem.

Any idea ? Which logs to look at ?






From ToddAndMargo at verizon.net  Mon Jun  9 06:12:11 2008
From: ToddAndMargo at verizon.net (Todd and Margo Chester)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:12:11 -0700
Subject: Firefox and Thunar
Message-ID: <484CAD9B.5020409@verizon.net>

Hi All,

     I am running firefox3-3.0-0.20080530.rc2.fc7.remi.i386.rpm on
CentOS 5.1 with XFce 4.4.2.

     What is the about:config command to tell FF3 to use Thunar, instead
of Nautlis as my file manager?   "network.protocol-handler.app.file"
does not seem to work anymore.  :-(


Many thanks,
-T

From gkmngrgn at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 17:55:46 2008
From: gkmngrgn at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=B6kmen_G=C3=B6rgen?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:55:46 +0300
Subject: automount for ntfs hdd
Message-ID: <579eef480806090855k538e6484xa4b75d93e3a8d827@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all. I'm using Gentoo  and Pardus with Xfce. When i plug-in my usb device
-that is formatted with fat32-, there's no problem. But when i plug-in my
removable harddisk -that is formatted with ntfs-, i could not see my files
and directories at the hdd. i must be root for this reason.

i want to use, mount and automount it with normal user rights. how can i do
it?

best regards.
-- 
G?kmen G?rgen
http://www.gokmengorgen.net
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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Mon Jun  9 21:21:35 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:21:35 -0400
Subject: automount for ntfs hdd
In-Reply-To: <579eef480806090855k538e6484xa4b75d93e3a8d827@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579eef480806090855k538e6484xa4b75d93e3a8d827@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1213039295.4652.5.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>

On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 18:55 +0300, G?kmen G?rgen wrote:
> Hi all. I'm using Gentoo  and Pardus with Xfce. When i plug-in my usb
> device -that is formatted with fat32-, there's no problem. But when i
> plug-in my removable harddisk -that is formatted with ntfs-, i could
> not see my files and directories at the hdd. i must be root for this
> reason.
> 
> i want to use, mount and automount it with normal user rights. how can
> i do it?

Are you using WHAT? ntfs-3g? or the native ntfs stuff in the kernel?

In Debian, ntfs-3g and fuse need to be installed.

Then the user that needs to use the FUSE filesystem needs to be a part
of the "fuse" group, you then need to make sure the "filesystem entry"
include user rights to mount it.

That is about it. Not exactly an XFCE related question... but good
enough.
-- 
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From sofar at foo-projects.org  Tue Jun 10 11:20:01 2008
From: sofar at foo-projects.org (sofar@foo-projects.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:20:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Xfce ML FAQ
Message-ID: <20080610092001.E37B1F29F2@doppio.foo-projects.org>

Hi!

Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you
with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce
answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support
or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent
periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users.

You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this
mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups.
Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to
the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom).


Index:

o General mailinglist information
o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
o So what if I need help?
o I've read the websites and I still need help!
o No disclaimers please
o Quoting style?
o What about you guys?
o Most commonly asked questions
o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer



o General mailinglist information

The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers
(foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions
and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the
mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists:

View all lists:         http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo
Subscribe/Unsubscribe:  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
Online Archive:         http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce


o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)

There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing
list for Xfce is "xfce at xfce.org". This is the typical list to discuss
problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and
tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user.

If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the
development mailing list "xfce4-dev at xfce.org". There is an obsolete list
called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on
xfce version 4 this list is not used.

Specific lists also exist for translations (xfce-i18n at xfce.org),
announcements from the Xfce team (xfce-announce at xfce.org), commits and
autogenerated messages (xfce4-commits at xfce.org, xfce-bugs at xfce.org).

Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them
are not hosted on foo-projects.org:

xfc:          xfc-dev at xfce.org
thunar:       thunar-dev at xfce.org
xfce goodies: goodies-dev at xfce.org


o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?

+ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops
the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the
Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce
libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications
such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -> http://xfce.org/

+ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all
over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations
to the Xfce components. -> http://i18n.xfce.org/

+ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered
an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at
http://goodies.xfce.org/ and hosts a public SVN repository.  Everyone is
welcome to contribute his Xfce application here!

+ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have
contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too
large (xfc -> http://xfc.xfce.org/, pyxfce -> http://pyxfce.xfce.org/)
to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on
the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -> http://directory.xfce.org/


o So what if I need help?

Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you
can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that
are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them:

Official documentation: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/
User Forum:             http://forum.xfce.org/
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+ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch
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From polytan at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 01:43:18 2008
From: polytan at gmail.com (polytan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:43:18 +0200
Subject: xfce and xdmcp
In-Reply-To: <484C6D65.9040904@wanadoo.fr>
References: <484C6D65.9040904@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <741f8c060806101643r23f522ccu17227968d8813a10@mail.gmail.com>

I don't understand what are the problem (you can also give a french
translation, peut-?tre que je comprendrais mieu ;) )

Why do you use kdm with xfce ?

I think you should use gdm which uses gtk like xfce, it will be lighter and
faster for your xterms.

Cheers,

Maxime

2008/6/9 kevin <kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr>:

> Hello,
>
> first of all, I am not sure my title is correct, as I do not guess where
> my problem comes from.
>
> I manage a lan in a primary French school, built up whith old pcs
> configured as X terminals. We use debian etch.
>
> In each classroom there are several Xterms and 1 "powerful" pc (PIV 2.4
> Ghz) configured as "application server".
>  When booting a pc (Xterm or not), xdmcp displays its chooser list, then
> the user chooses one application server among those which are
> avalaibles, then he logs in.
>
> We exports home files from another server using nis and nfs.
>
> We previously used KDE.
>
> Now I reinstalled all the computers, (xterms and applications serveurs)
> : debian etch, kdm and xfce. Now, only xfce is installed, neither KDE
> nor gnome are installed any more.
>
> The nfs server stays unchanged, which means the old config files for KDE
> are still unchanged in each /home/<user>.
>
> The problem is :
> * if a user sits down in front of an xterm, (then choose a server, then
> logs in) its desktop displays icons, the background is the debian
> spiral, and plugging a usb key displays an icon
> * if the same user sits down in front of an application server, then
> choose *this* server, then logs in, then its desktop displays no icons,
> the background is the xfce mouse, and plugging a usb key displays no
> icon. And clicking onto "xfce parameters" displays nothing.
>
>
>
> I tried to destroy all .kde/ and .gnome*: same problem.
>
> Any idea ? Which logs to look at ?
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>



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From kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr  Wed Jun 11 09:44:00 2008
From: kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr (kevin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:44:00 +0200
Subject: xfce and xdmcp
In-Reply-To: <741f8c060806101643r23f522ccu17227968d8813a10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <484C6D65.9040904@wanadoo.fr>
	<741f8c060806101643r23f522ccu17227968d8813a10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <484F8240.7080709@wanadoo.fr>

polytan a ?crit :

> I don't understand what are the problem (you can also give a french 
> translation, peut-?tre que je comprendrai mieux ;) )

J'ai des machines configur?es en serveur d'application, disons A, B, C, 
D, E (Pentium IV) et des petites machines configur?es en TX, disons 
a,b,c,d,ef,etc.

Le home est export? par nfs depuis un serveur, disons X.

Pour travailler, un utilisateur s'assied devant un pc, puis choisit l'un 
des serveurs d'applications propos?s ? l'?cran (c'est la liste affich?e 
par le chooser xdmcp) ; si tous les serveurs d'appli sont allum?s, alors 
il voit les 5 dans la liste.
Puis l'utilisateur se logge sur son compte personnel.
Comme le /home est export? depuis X, quel que soit le serveur d'appli 
choisi par l'utilisateur, il peut se logger sous son nom de login et 
retrouver tout son environnement.

Les TX et les serveurs d'appli sont dans les classes (tout ceci se passe 
dans une ?cole), donc l'utilisateur peut travailler sur ordi aussi bien 
s'il s'assied devant un TX que s'il s'assied devant un serveur d'appli.

Et c'est l? qu'est le probl?me : si l'utilisateur "toto" s'assied devant 
un TX puis choisit un serveur d'appli et se logge, alors il a un fond 
d'?cran en spirale et des icones.
Mais s'il s'assied devant un serveur d'appli et choisit cette machine 
comme serveur d'appli, alors il a le fond d'?cran avec la souris, n'a 
plus d'icone et ne peut pas acc?der ? l'item "configuration" du menu xfce.

Avec KDE, tout marchait tr?s bien.

-----------------------------------
In coarse English

A,B,C,D and E are application servers ; pentium IV
a,b,c,d,e, etc. are old pc configured as X terminals
All those computers are inside classrooms (all this is in a school).

We also have another server, say X, which exports /home throughout nis/nfs.

When a kid sit down in front of an Xterm :
* he chooses one application server among those displayed in the list 
(chooser's list f xdmcp) ; if all are avalaible, the list proposes A, B, 
C, D, E.
* then he logs in, using his own login name.

As /home is exported vi nfs, never mind the application server he 
choosed, he will be able to log in with his own login name and get his 
personnell environment.

As A, B ... and a, b, ... are inside classrooms, pupils can sit down in 
front of a tx pc or in front of A, B, ... And it must work the same way 
for him.
And it worked the same way, perfectly, with KDE.

But now, with xfce :
* if the pupil sits down in front of a tx, (then chooses an application 
server, then logs in) he gets a debian spiral as backgrond, desktop icons.
* if he sits down in front of an application server and chooses this 
machine as application server, then his background is the xfce mouse, he 
gets no icon on his desktop and cannot launch the "xfce configure" item.
-----------------------------

>
> Why do you use kdm with xfce ?
>
> I think you should use gdm which uses gtk like xfce, it will be 
> lighter and faster for your xterms.

J'ai lu qu'on pouvait le faire (je me suis tromp? ?) et comme je savais 
configurer kdm, je suis rest? avec kdm.

OK, je vais essayer gdm. Tu aurais un pointeur ? m'indiquer sur la conf 
de gdm pour mes serveurs d'appli ?

---------------------------------
I read it is possible to use kdm with xfce (is it false?) ; and as I 
already knew how to configure it, I kept it.

OK, I'll try gdm. Any url to help me to configure gdm?
---------------------------------

Merci



From polytan at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 16:48:46 2008
From: polytan at gmail.com (polytan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:48:46 +0100
Subject: xfce and xdmcp
In-Reply-To: <484F8240.7080709@wanadoo.fr>
References: <484C6D65.9040904@wanadoo.fr>
	<741f8c060806101643r23f522ccu17227968d8813a10@mail.gmail.com>
	<484F8240.7080709@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <741f8c060806110748w59c71501sa476e5fa4d6c5889@mail.gmail.com>

They both works the sqme, xdmcp is standardized.

I don't know why your xfce is different. The only thing I see is on the
computer, there are different instalation and different rights.

Maybe I'm wrong ;)

Cheers,

Maxime

(et oui, je comprends mieux ce qui se passe maintenant)


Le 11 juin 2008 08:44, kevin <kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr> a ?crit :

> polytan a ?crit :
>
> > I don't understand what are the problem (you can also give a french
> > translation, peut-?tre que je comprendrai mieux ;) )
>
> J'ai des machines configur?es en serveur d'application, disons A, B, C,
> D, E (Pentium IV) et des petites machines configur?es en TX, disons
> a,b,c,d,ef,etc.
>
> Le home est export? par nfs depuis un serveur, disons X.
>
> Pour travailler, un utilisateur s'assied devant un pc, puis choisit l'un
> des serveurs d'applications propos?s ? l'?cran (c'est la liste affich?e
> par le chooser xdmcp) ; si tous les serveurs d'appli sont allum?s, alors
> il voit les 5 dans la liste.
> Puis l'utilisateur se logge sur son compte personnel.
> Comme le /home est export? depuis X, quel que soit le serveur d'appli
> choisi par l'utilisateur, il peut se logger sous son nom de login et
> retrouver tout son environnement.
>
> Les TX et les serveurs d'appli sont dans les classes (tout ceci se passe
> dans une ?cole), donc l'utilisateur peut travailler sur ordi aussi bien
> s'il s'assied devant un TX que s'il s'assied devant un serveur d'appli.
>
> Et c'est l? qu'est le probl?me : si l'utilisateur "toto" s'assied devant
> un TX puis choisit un serveur d'appli et se logge, alors il a un fond
> d'?cran en spirale et des icones.
> Mais s'il s'assied devant un serveur d'appli et choisit cette machine
> comme serveur d'appli, alors il a le fond d'?cran avec la souris, n'a
> plus d'icone et ne peut pas acc?der ? l'item "configuration" du menu xfce.
>
> Avec KDE, tout marchait tr?s bien.
>
> -----------------------------------
> In coarse English
>
> A,B,C,D and E are application servers ; pentium IV
> a,b,c,d,e, etc. are old pc configured as X terminals
> All those computers are inside classrooms (all this is in a school).
>
> We also have another server, say X, which exports /home throughout nis/nfs.
>
> When a kid sit down in front of an Xterm :
> * he chooses one application server among those displayed in the list
> (chooser's list f xdmcp) ; if all are avalaible, the list proposes A, B,
> C, D, E.
> * then he logs in, using his own login name.
>
> As /home is exported vi nfs, never mind the application server he
> choosed, he will be able to log in with his own login name and get his
> personnell environment.
>
> As A, B ... and a, b, ... are inside classrooms, pupils can sit down in
> front of a tx pc or in front of A, B, ... And it must work the same way
> for him.
> And it worked the same way, perfectly, with KDE.
>
> But now, with xfce :
> * if the pupil sits down in front of a tx, (then chooses an application
> server, then logs in) he gets a debian spiral as backgrond, desktop icons.
> * if he sits down in front of an application server and chooses this
> machine as application server, then his background is the xfce mouse, he
> gets no icon on his desktop and cannot launch the "xfce configure" item.
> -----------------------------
>
> >
> > Why do you use kdm with xfce ?
> >
> > I think you should use gdm which uses gtk like xfce, it will be
> > lighter and faster for your xterms.
>
> J'ai lu qu'on pouvait le faire (je me suis tromp? ?) et comme je savais
> configurer kdm, je suis rest? avec kdm.
>
> OK, je vais essayer gdm. Tu aurais un pointeur ? m'indiquer sur la conf
> de gdm pour mes serveurs d'appli ?
>
> ---------------------------------
> I read it is possible to use kdm with xfce (is it false?) ; and as I
> already knew how to configure it, I kept it.
>
> OK, I'll try gdm. Any url to help me to configure gdm?
> ---------------------------------
>
> Merci
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>



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From kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr  Fri Jun 13 09:27:14 2008
From: kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr (kevin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:27:14 +0200
Subject: xfce and xdmcp
In-Reply-To: <741f8c060806110748w59c71501sa476e5fa4d6c5889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <484C6D65.9040904@wanadoo.fr>	<741f8c060806101643r23f522ccu17227968d8813a10@mail.gmail.com>	<484F8240.7080709@wanadoo.fr>
	<741f8c060806110748w59c71501sa476e5fa4d6c5889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48522152.4030501@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

it works!

Using gdm instead of kdm was a great idea, thanks a lot.

Don't know why there was a problem with kdm, probably I did not 
configure it correctly.




From kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr  Fri Jun 13 09:30:19 2008
From: kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr (kevin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:30:19 +0200
Subject: icons
Message-ID: <4852220B.3000900@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

when a user uses KDE, defines his own icons, then uses XFCE, the icons 
aa still on the desktop.
Which file does XFce looks at to get the information?



From samuel.verstraete at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 09:35:35 2008
From: samuel.verstraete at gmail.com (samuel)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:35:35 +0200
Subject: icons
In-Reply-To: <4852220B.3000900@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4852220B.3000900@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <bc122a250806130035n1b809fbete4951d9ac76f79d8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:30 AM, kevin <kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> when a user uses KDE, defines his own icons, then uses XFCE, the icons
> aa still on the desktop.
> Which file does XFce looks at to get the information?
>
>

icons on the desktop come from your Desktop folder in your home dir as
specified by freedesktop...
not even sure if that is what you're asking. but at least you got an answer


> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>

From polytan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 09:42:40 2008
From: polytan at gmail.com (polytan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:42:40 +0100
Subject: xfce and xdmcp
In-Reply-To: <48522152.4030501@wanadoo.fr>
References: <484C6D65.9040904@wanadoo.fr>
	<741f8c060806101643r23f522ccu17227968d8813a10@mail.gmail.com>
	<484F8240.7080709@wanadoo.fr>
	<741f8c060806110748w59c71501sa476e5fa4d6c5889@mail.gmail.com>
	<48522152.4030501@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <741f8c060806130042w4fa65a5ekbe0a70f8c3f882c@mail.gmail.com>

Great :)))

Is there a website somewhere on which we can find the configuration of your
network ? I am really interested in it, seems great.

Cheers,

Maxime

2008/6/13 kevin <kevin.rowanet at wanadoo.fr>:

> Hi,
>
> it works!
>
> Using gdm instead of kdm was a great idea, thanks a lot.
>
> Don't know why there was a problem with kdm, probably I did not
> configure it correctly.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>



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From jc.sid at free.fr  Fri Jun 13 12:52:29 2008
From: jc.sid at free.fr (Jean-Christophe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:52:29 +0200
Subject: xrandr and session
Message-ID: <4852516D.4000200@free.fr>

Hello to all.
Here is my problem:
I've got a laptop, and when I plug a screen on it, I use xrandr to 
switch my resolutions. This works fine.
But xfce doesn't reconize it, and I have then my 800x480 desktop 
(eeepc...) shown on my 17" configured on 1600x1200 and all the other 
parts are blank. I can move my cursor on it but xfce refuses to display 
anything there.
One solution I found is to do: 'killall xfwm4 & xfwm4'. Then xfce 
reconizes my desktops but xfwm isn't launched with my user's preferences 
and can't be configured.
How can I make xfce reconize my xrandr changes?

From jc.sid at free.fr  Fri Jun 13 14:31:01 2008
From: jc.sid at free.fr (Jean-Christophe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:31:01 +0200
Subject: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?
Message-ID: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>

I found this thread and I could suggest another soft: wpa_gui, which is 
the most highly capable I found.
I made a hotkey launching 'sudo wpa_gui' (it must be launched as root) 
and added 'ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/wpa_gui' to sudoers with visudo.

From greg at gregfolkert.net  Fri Jun 13 15:49:52 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:52 -0400
Subject: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?
In-Reply-To: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>
References: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1213364992.29811.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>

On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:31 +0200, Jean-Christophe wrote:
> I found this thread and I could suggest another soft: wpa_gui, which is 
> the most highly capable I found.
> I made a hotkey launching 'sudo wpa_gui' (it must be launched as root) 
> and added 'ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/wpa_gui' to sudoers with visudo.

I know many people hate SUID programs... but rather than make a grievous
SUDOERS ENTRY like that...

Why not make the program SUID and owned by root? Or at least GUID and
proper groups memberships for the running user.
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri Jun 13 19:48:56 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:48:56 -0700
Subject: xrandr and session
In-Reply-To: <4852516D.4000200@free.fr>
References: <4852516D.4000200@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4852B308.5050500@cornell.edu>

Jean-Christophe wrote:
> Hello to all.
> Here is my problem:
> I've got a laptop, and when I plug a screen on it, I use xrandr to 
> switch my resolutions. This works fine.
> But xfce doesn't reconize it, and I have then my 800x480 desktop 
> (eeepc...) shown on my 17" configured on 1600x1200 and all the other 
> parts are blank. I can move my cursor on it but xfce refuses to display 
> anything there.
> One solution I found is to do: 'killall xfwm4 & xfwm4'. Then xfce 
> reconizes my desktops but xfwm isn't launched with my user's preferences 
> and can't be configured.
> How can I make xfce reconize my xrandr changes?

You can't -- Xfce doesn't support the new 1.2 version of xrandr. 
There's support in xfdesktop in SVN trunk, but it requires gtk 2.13 
(which I wouldn't recommend installing); not sure what plans the other 
devs have for their modules (xfwm4, xfce4-panel, mainly).

	-brian

From grantmasterflash at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 19:54:03 2008
From: grantmasterflash at gmail.com (Grant McWilliams)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:54:03 -0700
Subject: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?
In-Reply-To: <1213364992.29811.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>
	<1213364992.29811.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <ed123fa30806131054t1b937f0atca4f4c1af6019881@mail.gmail.com>

gag, cough sputter. An SUID program is better than a SUDO entry???? I'm
going to use this thread for my Linux Host System Security class on Tuesday!

Grant



On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:31 +0200, Jean-Christophe wrote:
> > I found this thread and I could suggest another soft: wpa_gui, which is
> > the most highly capable I found.
> > I made a hotkey launching 'sudo wpa_gui' (it must be launched as root)
> > and added 'ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/wpa_gui' to sudoers with
> visudo.
>
> I know many people hate SUID programs... but rather than make a grievous
> SUDOERS ENTRY like that...
>
> Why not make the program SUID and owned by root? Or at least GUID and
> proper groups memberships for the running user.
> --
> greg at gregfolkert.net
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri Jun 13 21:02:26 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:02:26 -0700
Subject: OT: suid programs vs. sudo access (Re: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?)
In-Reply-To: <ed123fa30806131054t1b937f0atca4f4c1af6019881@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>	<1213364992.29811.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<ed123fa30806131054t1b937f0atca4f4c1af6019881@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4852C442.4070802@cornell.edu>

Grant McWilliams wrote:
> gag, cough sputter. An SUID program is better than a SUDO entry???? I'm
> going to use this thread for my Linux Host System Security class on Tuesday!

It can be, if done properly.  A sudo entry to run a particular app as 
root password-less forces you to rely on sudo itself being well behaved 
and secure.

A binary with perms set to -rwsr-x--- and ownership set to root:foo (and 
put users allowed to run it in group foo) only relies on the OS's 
built-in facilities and is certainly no less secure than a password-less 
sudo entry.  I'd argue it's more secure.

Though really, the security concerns of using suid vs. sudo are dwarfed 
by those of running a GUI app as root.  wpa_gui uses Qt, right?  Care to 
audit all of Qt for security issues?

	-brian

> 
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:31 +0200, Jean-Christophe wrote:
>>> I found this thread and I could suggest another soft: wpa_gui, which is
>>> the most highly capable I found.
>>> I made a hotkey launching 'sudo wpa_gui' (it must be launched as root)
>>> and added 'ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/wpa_gui' to sudoers with
>> visudo.
>>
>> I know many people hate SUID programs... but rather than make a grievous
>> SUDOERS ENTRY like that...
>>
>> Why not make the program SUID and owned by root? Or at least GUID and
>> proper groups memberships for the running user.
>> --
>> greg at gregfolkert.net
>> PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
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From greg at gregfolkert.net  Fri Jun 13 22:21:48 2008
From: greg at gregfolkert.net (Greg Folkert)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:21:48 -0400
Subject: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?
In-Reply-To: <ed123fa30806131054t1b937f0atca4f4c1af6019881@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>
	<1213364992.29811.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<ed123fa30806131054t1b937f0atca4f4c1af6019881@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1213388508.30048.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>

On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 10:54 -0700, Grant McWilliams wrote:
> gag, cough sputter. An SUID program is better than a SUDO entry????
> I'm going to use this thread for my Linux Host System Security class
> on Tuesday!
> 
> Grant

Have fun pointing out the whole reliance on SUDO and other many
mechanisms. Shoe-horning in another program named that with a
possibility to replace the Binary regardless of it being the right one.
and doing its bad work.

At least with the proper groups and proper right assigned to them, you;d
get MUCH less collateral damage.

Don't forget that, SUID/GUID programs have their place, this may just be
one of them.

Come on, there are always two sides to this stuff. There are other
alternatives as well.

> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Greg Folkert <greg at gregfolkert.net>
> wrote:
>         On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:31 +0200, Jean-Christophe wrote:
>         > I found this thread and I could suggest another soft:
>         wpa_gui, which is
>         > the most highly capable I found.
>         > I made a hotkey launching 'sudo wpa_gui' (it must be
>         launched as root)
>         > and added 'ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/wpa_gui' to
>         sudoers with visudo.
>         
>         
>         I know many people hate SUID programs... but rather than make
>         a grievous
>         SUDOERS ENTRY like that...
>         
>         Why not make the program SUID and owned by root? Or at least
>         GUID and
>         proper groups memberships for the running user.

-- 
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From grantmasterflash at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 00:20:03 2008
From: grantmasterflash at gmail.com (Grant McWilliams)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:20:03 -0700
Subject: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?
In-Reply-To: <1213388508.30048.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
References: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>
	<1213364992.29811.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
	<ed123fa30806131054t1b937f0atca4f4c1af6019881@mail.gmail.com>
	<1213388508.30048.8.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>
Message-ID: <ed123fa30806131520y233dc43l313ac795662ab092@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> Have fun pointing out the whole reliance on SUDO and other many
> mechanisms. Shoe-horning in another program named that with a
> possibility to replace the Binary regardless of it being the right one.
> and doing its bad work.
>
> At least with the proper groups and proper right assigned to them, you;d
> get MUCH less collateral damage.
>
> Don't forget that, SUID/GUID programs have their place, this may just be
> one of them.
>
> Come on, there are always two sides to this stuff. There are other
> alternatives as well.


:-) As much as I dislike SUDO at least you have more control and logging
over what the user does. At least you get to decide WHO gets to execute
wpa_gui as root. With SUID you have nothing, everyone IS root for that app
for all practical purposes. SUID needs to go away. I think on my servers I
wittle it down to about 9 SUID/SGID binaries left. When I get SELinux policy
modules created for them they'll be gone.

I realize that only one major disto and it's community variant uses SELinux
so that's not a solution for everyone. I don't know enough about AppArmor to
know if it could provide an SUID like Domain Transition decision policy.

If an SELinux policy was created for wpa_gui that had a wpa_gui_exec_t
domain and a wpa_gui_t domain that would have permissions to the relevant
network interfaces and sockets all you'd need is an allow policy to allow
wpa_gui_exec_t to transit to wpa_gui_t and allow unconfined_t execute
permissions. The whole thing could be constrained so that if it were
exploited it could only be used to edit wpa settings and nothing more. I
don't know that much about wpa_gui but if it reads files then it could be
forced to read files that it shouldn't and if it's SUID those files could be
ANY.

I'm sure this functionality is also in AppArmor so it would work in
Mandrake, Ubuntu, Sun Linux, and SuSE. I don't use most of those so I'm just
guessing.

Grant
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From xfce at rlworkman.net  Sat Jun 14 03:47:03 2008
From: xfce at rlworkman.net (Robby Workman)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:47:03 -0500
Subject: OT: suid programs vs. sudo access (Re: NetworkManager or
	Wifi-Radar?)
In-Reply-To: <4852C442.4070802@cornell.edu>
References: <48526885.2050204@free.fr>	<1213364992.29811.1.camel@princess.gregfolkert.net>	<ed123fa30806131054t1b937f0atca4f4c1af6019881@mail.gmail.com>
	<4852C442.4070802@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <48532317.20404@rlworkman.net>

Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> Grant McWilliams wrote:
>> gag, cough sputter. An SUID program is better than a SUDO entry???? I'm
>> going to use this thread for my Linux Host System Security class on Tuesday!
> 
> It can be, if done properly.  A sudo entry to run a particular app as 
> root password-less forces you to rely on sudo itself being well behaved 
> and secure.
> 
> A binary with perms set to -rwsr-x--- and ownership set to root:foo (and 
> put users allowed to run it in group foo) only relies on the OS's 
> built-in facilities and is certainly no less secure than a password-less 
> sudo entry.  I'd argue it's more secure.
> 
> Though really, the security concerns of using suid vs. sudo are dwarfed 
> by those of running a GUI app as root.  wpa_gui uses Qt, right?  Care to 
> audit all of Qt for security issues?


Okay, don't go throwing logic and reasoning into the whole suid binary
discussion - Chicken Little will be disappointed...

-RW

From galette at tin.it  Sat Jun 14 12:34:50 2008
From: galette at tin.it (galette@tin.it)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:34:50 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: problem to configure a dsl  connection
Message-ID: <11a86a445b6.galette@tin.it>

Dear all
I've a strange problem trying to configure a directly ethernet 
modem adsl connection, a connection that do not pass through a router ( 
a so called "dsl connection")
I can't find a tool to create it. I'm new 
of Xfce. I usually use a router connection but I have to test the 
router for some problems and I need a dsl connection, for now
What tool 
can I use to  ?
Thanks 
Alessia

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Radar? (Jean-Christophe)
>   3. Re: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar? (Greg 
Folkert)
>   4. Re: xrandr and session (Brian J. Tarricone)
>   5. Re: 
NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar? (Grant McWilliams)
>   6. OT: suid 
programs vs. sudo access (Re: NetworkManager or
>      Wifi-Radar?) 
(Brian J. Tarricone)
>   7. Re: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar? (Greg 
Folkert)
>   8. Re: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar? (Grant McWilliams)
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>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:52:29 +0200
>From: Jean-
Christophe <jc.sid at free.fr>
>Subject: xrandr and session
>To: xfce at xfce.
org
>Message-ID: <4852516D.4000200 at free.fr>
>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hello to all.
>Here is my problem:
>I've got a laptop, and when I plug a screen on it, I use xrandr to 
>switch my resolutions. This works fine.
>But xfce doesn't reconize it, 
and I have then my 800x480 desktop 
>(eeepc...) shown on my 17" 
configured on 1600x1200 and all the other 
>parts are blank. I can move 
my cursor on it but xfce refuses to display 
>anything there.
>One 
solution I found is to do: 'killall xfwm4 & xfwm4'. Then xfce 
>reconizes my desktops but xfwm isn't launched with my user's 
preferences 
>and can't be configured.
>How can I make xfce reconize my 
xrandr changes?
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:31:01 +0200
>From: Jean-Christophe <jc.
sid at free.fr>
>Subject: Re: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?
>To: Xfce at xfce.
org
>Message-ID: <48526885.2050204 at free.fr>
>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>I found this thread and I could 
suggest another soft: wpa_gui, which is 
>the most highly capable I 
found.
>I made a hotkey launching 'sudo wpa_gui' (it must be launched 
as root) 
>and added 'ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/wpa_gui' to 
sudoers with visudo.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:52 -0400
>From: Greg Folkert 
<greg at gregfolkert.net>
>Subject: Re: NetworkManager or Wifi-Radar?
>To: 
xfce at xfce.org
>Message-ID: <1213364992.29811.1.camel at princess.
gregfolkert.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>On 
Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:31 +0200, Jean-Christophe wrote:
>> I found this 
thread and I could suggest another soft: wpa_gui, which is 
>> the most 
highly capable I found.
>> I made a hotkey launching 'sudo wpa_gui' (it 
must be launched as root) 
>> and added 'ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: 
/usr/sbin/wpa_gui' to sudoers with visudo.
>
>I know many people hate 
SUID programs... but rather than make a grievous
>SUDOERS ENTRY like 
that...
>
>Why not make the program SUID and owned by root? Or at least 
GUID and
>proper groups memberships for the running user.
>-- 
>greg at gregfolkert.net
>PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
>Fingerprint: 
E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0  2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
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>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 
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>From: "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu>
>Subject: Re: xrandr and session
>To: jc.sid at free.fr, XFCE general 
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>Jean-Christophe wrote:
>> Hello to all.
>> Here is my problem:
>> I've 
got a laptop, and when I plug a screen on it, I use xrandr to 
>> 
switch my resolutions. This works fine.
>> But xfce doesn't reconize 
it, and I have then my 800x480 desktop 
>> (eeepc...) shown on my 17" 
configured on 1600x1200 and all the other 
>> parts are blank. I can 
move my cursor on it but xfce refuses to dis