From jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com  Thu May  1 02:48:21 2008
From: jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com (Jimmy Wu)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:48:21 -0400
Subject: thunar default ``open with'' applications
Message-ID: <7ffb3b2b0804301748w60d9e4c1w593c2f26ac7b8531@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I was just wondering where the settings are stored for thunar's file
extension/mime associations (ie right click -> "open with" )
For some reason, all of a sudden everything wants to open with
Mousepad by default instead of something that makes sense.
If someone could just point me to the right directory, or a way to
just reset to defaults, that would be great.  I've been looking in
~/.config, /etc/xdg, but I haven't found anything

Thanks in advance!

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From corsac at debian.org  Thu May  1 10:18:56 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:18:56 +0200
Subject: thunar default ``open with'' applications
In-Reply-To: <7ffb3b2b0804301748w60d9e4c1w593c2f26ac7b8531@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ffb3b2b0804301748w60d9e4c1w593c2f26ac7b8531@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1209629936.10175.9.camel@hidalgo>

On mer, 2008-04-30 at 20:48 -0400, Jimmy Wu wrote:
> I was just wondering where the settings are stored for thunar's file
> extension/mime associations (ie right click -> "open with" )

Look in .local/share/applications
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From junk_and_mail at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 12:01:16 2008
From: junk_and_mail at yahoo.com (Thomas Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 03:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Xfce Notes Plugin: Preventing it from showing on start up...
Message-ID: <758060.96446.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm not entirely sure on all possible values, etc, i can give the notes plugin, but is there a way to prevent the notes dialog box from popping up on startup on new user accounts? I have ShowOnStartup set to 0, but that doesn't help.

       
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From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Thu May  1 13:08:36 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:08:36 +0200
Subject: Xfce Notes Plugin: Preventing it from showing on start up...
In-Reply-To: <758060.96446.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <758060.96446.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080501110836.GF13205@failure.del>

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 03:01:16AM -0700, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure on all possible values, etc, i can give the
> notes plugin, but is there a way to prevent the notes dialog box from
> popping up on startup on new user accounts? I have ShowOnStartup set
> to 0, but that doesn't help.

Mmh, the configuration box?  or just the plain notes?  In the latter
case, ShowOnStartup=0 is what you should have in your configuration so
that it doesn't show itself when the panel is started.

Cheers
Mike

From jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com  Thu May  1 21:06:00 2008
From: jimmywu013+xfce at gmail.com (Jimmy Wu)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:06:00 -0400
Subject: thunar default ``open with'' applications
In-Reply-To: <1209629936.10175.9.camel@hidalgo>
References: <7ffb3b2b0804301748w60d9e4c1w593c2f26ac7b8531@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209629936.10175.9.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <7ffb3b2b0805011206g7532b220je20d75c91fea6167@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org> wrote:
> On mer, 2008-04-30 at 20:48 -0400, Jimmy Wu wrote:
>  > I was just wondering where the settings are stored for thunar's file
>  > extension/mime associations (ie right click -> "open with" )
>
>  Look in .local/share/applications

Thank you!
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From junk_and_mail at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 22:58:54 2008
From: junk_and_mail at yahoo.com (Thomas Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Xfce Notes Plugin: Preventing it from showing on start up...
In-Reply-To: <20080501110836.GF13205@failure.del>
Message-ID: <872320.26453.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, the notes itself. I have ShowOnStartUp set to 0,
but it pops up when the panel is loaded on fresh
accounts. It doesn't happen afterwards, though, which
i find interesting. So, maybe there's another value
located elsewhere that is used until the user's
settings can be written?

--- Mike Massonnet <mmassonnet at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 03:01:16AM -0700, Thomas
> Jefferson wrote:
> > I'm not entirely sure on all possible values, etc,
> i can give the
> > notes plugin, but is there a way to prevent the
> notes dialog box from
> > popping up on startup on new user accounts? I have
> ShowOnStartup set
> > to 0, but that doesn't help.
> 
> Mmh, the configuration box?  or just the plain
> notes?  In the latter
> case, ShowOnStartup=0 is what you should have in
> your configuration so
> that it doesn't show itself when the panel is
> started.
> 
> Cheers
> Mike
>



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From btj at havleik.no  Thu May  1 23:02:30 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:02:30 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
Message-ID: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>

Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?


Regards,

BTJ


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From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Thu May  1 23:21:57 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:21:57 +0200
Subject: Xfce Notes Plugin: Preventing it from showing on start up...
In-Reply-To: <872320.26453.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20080501110836.GF13205@failure.del>
	<872320.26453.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080501212157.GK13205@failure.del>

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 01:58:54PM -0700, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
> Yeah, the notes itself. I have ShowOnStartUp set to 0,
> but it pops up when the panel is loaded on fresh
> accounts. It doesn't happen afterwards, though, which
> i find interesting. So, maybe there's another value
> located elsewhere that is used until the user's
> settings can be written?

Interesting, can you open a bug for it?  I guess I know what's going on.

Mike
-- 
http://bugs.xfce.org/

From junk_and_mail at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 07:53:44 2008
From: junk_and_mail at yahoo.com (Thomas Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:53:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Xfce Notes Plugin: Preventing it from showing on start up...
In-Reply-To: <20080501212157.GK13205@failure.del>
Message-ID: <228406.11309.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Interesting, can you open a bug for it?  I guess I
> know what's going on.
> 
> Mike

Done. http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4055


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From btj at havleik.no  Fri May  2 19:06:08 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 19:06:08 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
Message-ID: <20080502190608.75a37871@pennywise2.havleik.no>

On Thu, 1 May 2008 23:02:30 +0200
Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:

> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> BTJ
> 
> 

Anyone? I see that something called KDE systray proxy is deprecated and not included in my install, is this my problem
or?


BTJ

From ale at pcartwright.com  Fri May  2 19:40:18 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: switch user
Message-ID: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>

hi,
I just added and am starting to use xfce. I have a Dell desktop, with NVIDIA 
card, and KDE was giving me some troubles... xfce seems MUCH faster and 
lighter, but still easy to use.
My MAIN issue is, this is a 2-person PC, me and my wife. We both login and 
stay logged in, but she uses KDE, and I don't want to change. She knows how 
to CTRL-ALT-F8 from my login to get to hers, so I like to keep me logged in 
first (F7), then log her in. The problem is, I can't find a switch-user app 
on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??

I noticed when I ran KDE, klibido would consume 100% of my cpu ( duo-core), 
but with xfce, it only runs about 10%, I REALLY like that!!
I used to run Kontact, for email & RSS feeds, but liferea isn't bad, I can 
live with that. What about a calendar app???

thanks,
-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri May  2 20:23:56 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:23:56 -0700
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080502190608.75a37871@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
	<20080502190608.75a37871@pennywise2.havleik.no>
Message-ID: <481B5C3C.9090203@cornell.edu>

Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 23:02:30 +0200
> Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> 
>> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
>> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> 
> Anyone? I see that something called KDE systray proxy is deprecated and not included in my install, is this my problem
> or?

For starters, it's generally considered bad etiquette to repost after 
such a short time.  Please, if you ask something, try to give it a 
couple days before reposting if you don't get a response.  17 hours is 
pretty quick to expect a response from a possibly-obscure question.

Anyhow, you haven't given enough information to answer your question. 
What version of Xfce are you using?  How did you install it?  Distro 
packages?  What distro?

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri May  2 20:25:08 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:25:08 -0700
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>

Paul Cartwright wrote:
> hi,
> I just added and am starting to use xfce. I have a Dell desktop, with NVIDIA 
> card, and KDE was giving me some troubles... xfce seems MUCH faster and 
> lighter, but still easy to use.
> My MAIN issue is, this is a 2-person PC, me and my wife. We both login and 
> stay logged in, but she uses KDE, and I don't want to change. She knows how 
> to CTRL-ALT-F8 from my login to get to hers, so I like to keep me logged in 
> first (F7), then log her in. The problem is, I can't find a switch-user app 
> on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??

It doesn't exist.

> I noticed when I ran KDE, klibido would consume 100% of my cpu ( duo-core), 
> but with xfce, it only runs about 10%, I REALLY like that!!
> I used to run Kontact, for email & RSS feeds, but liferea isn't bad, I can 
> live with that. What about a calendar app???

Try Orage.

	-brian


From ale at pcartwright.com  Fri May  2 21:55:48 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:55:48 -0400
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <200805021555.48042.ale@pcartwright.com>

On Fri May 2 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> > first (F7), then log her in. The problem is, I can't find a switch-user
> > app on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??
>
> It doesn't exist.

wow, hard to believe..

>
> > I noticed when I ran KDE, klibido would consume 100% of my cpu (
> > duo-core), but with xfce, it only runs about 10%, I REALLY like that!!
> > I used to run Kontact, for email & RSS feeds, but liferea isn't bad, I
> > can live with that. What about a calendar app???
>
> Try Orage.
ok, so I went here:
http://www.xfce.org/projects/orage/
and got this:
svn co http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfcalendar/trunk orage

then, it was an exercise in frustration...
# ./autogen.sh
xdt-autogen: You must have "autoconf" installed on your system.
             Download the appropriate package for your distribution,
             or get the source tarball at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/.
paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# aptitude install autoconf 
<SNIP>
Building tag database... Done

paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# ./autogen.sh
xdt-autogen: You must have "intltool" installed on your system.
             You can download the source tarball from
             ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/.
paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# aptitude install intltool
<SNIP>


paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# ./autogen.sh
xdt-autogen: You must have "libtool" installed on your system.
             Download the appropriate package for your distribution,
             or get the source tarball at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/.
paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# aptitude install libtool
Reading package lists... Done 
The following packages are BROKEN:
  libltdl3-dev
 .....

paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# ./autogen.sh
.....<SNIP>
checking for libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 >= 4.4.0... not found
*** The required package libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 was not found on your system.
*** Please install libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 (atleast version 4.4.0) or adjust
*** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
*** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
*** pkg-config is able to find it.

# aptitude install libxfce4mcs-client-1.0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
Building tag database... Done
Couldn't find any package whose name or description 
matched "libxfce4mcs-client-1.0"
......

I'm getting real tired of this...

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From damailings at mcbf.net  Fri May  2 22:01:39 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:01:39 -0600
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <200805021555.48042.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>
	<200805021555.48042.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <472d4b250805021301v4cc80f2egd440cfaa60907b80@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com> wrote:
> On Fri May 2 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
>  > > first (F7), then log her in. The problem is, I can't find a switch-user
>  > > app on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??
>  >
>  > It doesn't exist.
>
>  wow, hard to believe..

Why don't you just change your configuration to start two X servers to
begin with? Seems like that would work just fine for you.

>  >
>  > > I noticed when I ran KDE, klibido would consume 100% of my cpu (
>  > > duo-core), but with xfce, it only runs about 10%, I REALLY like that!!
>  > > I used to run Kontact, for email & RSS feeds, but liferea isn't bad, I
>  > > can live with that. What about a calendar app???
>  >
>  > Try Orage.
>  ok, so I went here:
>  http://www.xfce.org/projects/orage/
>  and got this:
>  svn co http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfcalendar/trunk orage
>
>  then, it was an exercise in frustration...
>  # ./autogen.sh
>  xdt-autogen: You must have "autoconf" installed on your system.
>              Download the appropriate package for your distribution,
>              or get the source tarball at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/.
>  paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# aptitude install autoconf
>  <SNIP>
>  Building tag database... Done
>
>  paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# ./autogen.sh
>  xdt-autogen: You must have "intltool" installed on your system.
>              You can download the source tarball from
>              ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/.
>  paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# aptitude install intltool
>  <SNIP>
>
>
>  paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# ./autogen.sh
>  xdt-autogen: You must have "libtool" installed on your system.
>              Download the appropriate package for your distribution,
>              or get the source tarball at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/.
>  paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# aptitude install libtool
>  Reading package lists... Done
>  The following packages are BROKEN:
>   libltdl3-dev
>   .....
>
>  paulandcilla:/home/pbc/Documents/software/orage# ./autogen.sh
>  .....<SNIP>
>  checking for libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 >= 4.4.0... not found
>  *** The required package libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 was not found on your system.
>  *** Please install libxfce4mcs-client-1.0 (atleast version 4.4.0) or adjust
>  *** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
>  *** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
>  *** pkg-config is able to find it.
>
>  # aptitude install libxfce4mcs-client-1.0
>  Reading package lists... Done
>  Building dependency tree
>  Reading state information... Done
>  Reading extended state information
>  Initializing package states... Done
>  Reading task descriptions... Done
>  Building tag database... Done
>  Couldn't find any package whose name or description
>  matched "libxfce4mcs-client-1.0"
>  ......
>
>  I'm getting real tired of this...

It seems like you are on a debian based system. Why didn't you simply
install orage from the repository, if you are so unfamiliar with
building from source?

~David

From ale at pcartwright.com  Fri May  2 22:13:45 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:13:45 -0400
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <200805021613.45316.ale@pcartwright.com>

On Fri May 2 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> Try Orage.
try to run autogen.sh...
 
first I had to install 3 other dependencies, then I had to install:
libxfce4mcs-4.5.0
libxfce4util-4.5.0svn-r26917
libxfcegui4-4.5.2

then, for the tenth time I try to autogen.sh orage, and I get this:

*** The required package libxfce4panel-1.0 was not found on your system.
*** Please install libxfce4panel-1.0 (atleast version 4.4.0) or adjust
*** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
*** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
*** pkg-config is able to find it.

 so, I download and try to install that, and I get:

*** The required package exo-0.3 was not found on your system.
*** Please install exo-0.3 (atleast version 0.3.1.11) or adjust
*** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
*** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
*** pkg-config is able to find it.

I GIVE UP. installing a package is supposed to be easy, this is way past 
rediculous.maybe I installed xfce the wrong way ( from Debian repos).. this 
is missing way too much.

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Fri May  2 22:19:25 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:19:25 +0200
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <200805021555.48042.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>
	<200805021555.48042.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <20080502201925.GC4819@failure.del>

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 03:55:48PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Fri May 2 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> > > first (F7), then log her in. The problem is, I can't find a switch-user
> > > app on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??
> >
> > It doesn't exist.
> 
> wow, hard to believe..
> 
> >
> > > I noticed when I ran KDE, klibido would consume 100% of my cpu (
> > > duo-core), but with xfce, it only runs about 10%, I REALLY like that!!
> > > I used to run Kontact, for email & RSS feeds, but liferea isn't bad, I
> > > can live with that. What about a calendar app???
> >
> > Try Orage.
> ok, so I went here:
> http://www.xfce.org/projects/orage/
> and got this:
> svn co http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfcalendar/trunk orage
> 
> then, it was an exercise in frustration...
[...]
> # aptitude install libxfce4mcs-client-1.0

Why not simply type aptitude install orage? :-)

There is a nice list of apps on the xfce wiki:
http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps.

Mike

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri May  2 22:16:28 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:16:28 -0700
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <200805021613.45316.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>	<481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu>
	<200805021613.45316.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <481B769C.50304@cornell.edu>

Paul Cartwright wrote:

> I GIVE UP. installing a package is supposed to be easy, this is way past 
> rediculous.

You're not trying to install a package.  You're trying to compile and 
install something from source, and I'm not really sure why.

 > maybe I installed xfce the wrong way ( from Debian repos).. this
> is missing way too much.

Er, duh.  Why aren't you just installing Orage from Debian packages?

	-brian

From ale at pcartwright.com  Fri May  2 22:19:35 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:19:35 -0400
Subject: switch user
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On Fri May 2 2008, David Mohr wrote:
> It seems like you are on a debian based system. Why didn't you simply
> install orage from the repository, if you are so unfamiliar with
> building from source?

I tried aptitude install orage, it didn't find it, said no package resembled 
that.

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From ale at pcartwright.com  Fri May  2 22:23:07 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:23:07 -0400
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <20080502201925.GC4819@failure.del>
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On Fri May 2 2008, Mike Massonnet wrote:
> Why not simply type aptitude install orage? :-)
>
couldn't find it with the repos I have ( normal Etch..)

> There is a nice list of apps on the xfce wiki:
> http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps.

thanks! some of those I already have, and some look interesting.
I do a lot of movie manipulation using tovid & ffmpeg, so xfce looks to help 
with system resources.. I have claws mail installed, but I've used kmail for 
a few years, and it still works with xfce..


-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri May  2 22:25:01 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:25:01 -0700
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <200805021619.35341.ale@pcartwright.com>
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Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Fri May 2 2008, David Mohr wrote:
>> It seems like you are on a debian based system. Why didn't you simply
>> install orage from the repository, if you are so unfamiliar with
>> building from source?
> 
> I tried aptitude install orage, it didn't find it, said no package resembled 
> that.

Really?

$ sudo apt-cache search orage xfce
orage - Calendar for Xfce Desktop Environment

Otherwise, a google search for "orage debian packages" might help you. 
Is it too much to ask to use google these days?

	-b

From btj at havleik.no  Fri May  2 22:36:37 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:36:37 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:23:56 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 May 2008 23:02:30 +0200
> > Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> > 
> >> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
> >> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> > 
> > Anyone? I see that something called KDE systray proxy is deprecated and not included in my install, is this my
> > problem or?
> 
> For starters, it's generally considered bad etiquette to repost after 
> such a short time.  Please, if you ask something, try to give it a 
> couple days before reposting if you don't get a response.  17 hours is 
> pretty quick to expect a response from a possibly-obscure question.

Sorry about that, I am just spoiled with quick respons time from other mailinglists... (A)
And I also thought this was an easy question....

> 
> Anyhow, you haven't given enough information to answer your question. 
> What version of Xfce are you using?  How did you install it?  Distro 
> packages?  What distro?

I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)

BTJ

From stephan at xfce.org  Fri May  2 22:41:52 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:41:52 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080502223637.417d64df@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
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On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:23:56 -0700
>  "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
>
>  > Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
>  > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 23:02:30 +0200
>  > > Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
>  > >> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
>  > >
>  > > Anyone? I see that something called KDE systray proxy is deprecated and not included in my install, is this my
>  > > problem or?
>  >
>  > For starters, it's generally considered bad etiquette to repost after
>  > such a short time.  Please, if you ask something, try to give it a
>  > couple days before reposting if you don't get a response.  17 hours is
>  > pretty quick to expect a response from a possibly-obscure question.
>
>  Sorry about that, I am just spoiled with quick respons time from other mailinglists... (A)
>  And I also thought this was an easy question....
>
>
>  >
>  > Anyhow, you haven't given enough information to answer your question.
>  > What version of Xfce are you using?  How did you install it?  Distro
>  > packages?  What distro?
>
>  I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)

Ok, you are going to hate me for this: ^_~

'CHECK YOUR USE_FLAGS!!!'

</gentoo-flame> ^_^

Seriously; I am curious what kopete does here, it seems like a bug on
their side from where I am standing.

I could be wrong though, what version of kopete are you using?

-
Stephan

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri May  2 22:44:02 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:44:02 -0700
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080502223637.417d64df@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>	<20080502190608.75a37871@pennywise2.havleik.no>	<481B5C3C.9090203@cornell.edu>
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Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:

>>>> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
>>>> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> 
> I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)

Could something like this be related?
http://osdir.com/ml/xfce.user/2004-04/msg00183.html
Did you start any other application that might have started a system 
tray, and then killed it?  Apparently our tray doesn't work so well when 
someone else takes over tray duties and then gives it up.

Otherwise, not sure...  the panel maintainers are a bit MIA at present, 
so not sure who might be able to help you.

	-brian

From ale at pcartwright.com  Fri May  2 23:03:03 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:03:03 -0400
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <481B789D.4030308@cornell.edu>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
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On Fri May 2 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> > I tried aptitude install orage, it didn't find it, said no package
> > resembled that.
>
> Really?
>
> $ sudo apt-cache search orage xfce
> orage - Calendar for Xfce Desktop Environment
>
> Otherwise, a google search for "orage debian packages" might help you.
> Is it too much to ask to use google these days?

I don't get it, apt-cache worked. I used aptitude and it said it couldn't find 
it, but lo-and-behold, it is now installed..
thanks!

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From ale at pcartwright.com  Fri May  2 23:04:21 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:04:21 -0400
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <481B769C.50304@cornell.edu>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
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On Fri May 2 2008, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> > I GIVE UP. installing a package is supposed to be easy, this is way past
> > rediculous.
>
> You're not trying to install a package. ?You're trying to compile and
> install something from source, and I'm not really sure why.
>
> ?> maybe I installed xfce the wrong way ( from Debian repos).. this
>
> > is missing way too much.
>
> Er, duh. ?Why aren't you just installing Orage from Debian packages?

because aptitude install orage didn't work, it said it couldn't find it.
and yes, I was trying to install it using autogen.sh because I downloaded it 
from svn.


-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From btj at havleik.no  Fri May  2 23:13:43 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:13:43 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <481B7D12.50509@cornell.edu>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:44:02 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> 
> >>>> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
> >>>> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> > 
> > I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)
> 
> Could something like this be related?
> http://osdir.com/ml/xfce.user/2004-04/msg00183.html

Well, the result is about the same; I also get the icon in the little standalone transparent window...

> Did you start any other application that might have started a system 
> tray, and then killed it?  Apparently our tray doesn't work so well when 
> someone else takes over tray duties and then gives it up.

Not that I know of, and I can't find anything in the process list that looks like a systray app...

BTJ

From btj at havleik.no  Fri May  2 23:16:23 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:16:23 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 22:41:52 +0200
"Stephan Arts" <stephan at xfce.org> wrote:

> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:23:56 -0700
> >  "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  > Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> >  > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 23:02:30 +0200
> >  > > Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
> >  > >> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> >  > >
> >  > > Anyone? I see that something called KDE systray proxy is deprecated and not included in my install, is this my
> >  > > problem or?
> >  >
> >  > For starters, it's generally considered bad etiquette to repost after
> >  > such a short time.  Please, if you ask something, try to give it a
> >  > couple days before reposting if you don't get a response.  17 hours is
> >  > pretty quick to expect a response from a possibly-obscure question.
> >
> >  Sorry about that, I am just spoiled with quick respons time from other mailinglists... (A)
> >  And I also thought this was an easy question....
> >
> >
> >  >
> >  > Anyhow, you haven't given enough information to answer your question.
> >  > What version of Xfce are you using?  How did you install it?  Distro
> >  > packages?  What distro?
> >
> >  I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)
> 
> Ok, you are going to hate me for this: ^_~
> 
> 'CHECK YOUR USE_FLAGS!!!'
> 
> </gentoo-flame> ^_^

Not too many use flags, as far as I can see, too check. But not sure which application to check the use flags for?

> 
> Seriously; I am curious what kopete does here, it seems like a bug on
> their side from where I am standing.
> 
> I could be wrong though, what version of kopete are you using?

I am using kopete 0.12.7 on KDE 3.5.8 but I am getting the same result with amarok...


BTJ

From pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com  Sat May  3 01:17:40 2008
From: pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com (Pariksheet Nanda)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 19:17:40 -0400
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080502223637.417d64df@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
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> >> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
> >> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
>
>  I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)
>
>  BTJ

I just installed Kopete on Gentoo and do not experience your problem in Xfce.
Therefore this is not an Xfce related bug / configuration problem.

Since it is no longer appropriate to continue discussion of your issue
on this mailing list, I request you to please start a thread on the
Gentoo forums and mail me about it.

- Pariksheet

From corsac at debian.org  Sat May  3 10:17:16 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 10:17:16 +0200
Subject: switch user
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On ven, 2008-05-02 at 11:25 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> The problem is, I can't find a switch-user app 
> > on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??
> 
> It doesn't exist.

If you use gdm (don't know about kdm) you have a nice entry in the menu
?Systems?: ?New Login?. And xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver are able to
use this when the system is locked.
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From ale at pcartwright.com  Sat May  3 13:26:44 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:26:44 -0400
Subject: switch user
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On Sat May 3 2008, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > The problem is, I can't find a switch-user app
> >
> > > on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??
> >
> > It doesn't exist.
>
> If you use gdm (don't know about kdm) you have a nice entry in the menu
> ?Systems?: ?New Login?. And xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver are able to
> use this when the system is locked.

I know I have gdm installed, but my wife uses the KDE windows manager ( as did 
I..). I had problems before with my X session logging me off, so one of the 
apps that I turned OFF was gnome-screensaver. If she can run the KDE under 
gdm, I'm love to try it, I'm just not sure how to manipulate the window 
managers.. But I **AM** beginning to like xfce, the windows SNAP, things 
work, and it is showing me some of the bloat/excess.. of KDE.

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From damailings at mcbf.net  Sat May  3 17:26:59 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:26:59 -0600
Subject: switch user
In-Reply-To: <200805030726.44680.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805021340.18980.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<481B5C84.9060605@cornell.edu> <1209802636.5432.6.camel@hidalgo>
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On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 5:26 AM, Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com> wrote:
> On Sat May 3 2008, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
>  > > The problem is, I can't find a switch-user app
>  > >
>  > > > on xfce, so I can log her in. Is it missing??
>  > >
>  > > It doesn't exist.
>  >
>  > If you use gdm (don't know about kdm) you have a nice entry in the menu
>  > "Systems": "New Login". And xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver are able to
>  > use this when the system is locked.
>
>  I know I have gdm installed, but my wife uses the KDE windows manager ( as did
>  I..). I had problems before with my X session logging me off, so one of the
>  apps that I turned OFF was gnome-screensaver. If she can run the KDE under
>  gdm, I'm love to try it, I'm just not sure how to manipulate the window

Of course you can run KDE from gdm, you can use it for any window
manager, or desktop environment in fact.

>  managers.. But I **AM** beginning to like xfce, the windows SNAP, things
>  work, and it is showing me some of the bloat/excess.. of KDE.

~David

From btj at havleik.no  Sat May  3 23:58:38 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:58:38 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <229b7e970805021617l2b05c762y602399af6e62ea3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 19:17:40 -0400
"Pariksheet Nanda" <pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com> wrote:

> > >> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
> > >> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> >
> >  I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)
> >
> >  BTJ
> 
> I just installed Kopete on Gentoo and do not experience your problem in Xfce.
> Therefore this is not an Xfce related bug / configuration problem.
> 
> Since it is no longer appropriate to continue discussion of your issue
> on this mailing list, I request you to please start a thread on the
> Gentoo forums and mail me about it.
> 

Could you tell me which USE flags you use...(for KDE and XFCE)?

BTJ

From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 00:28:45 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:28:45 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080503235838.79009cea@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 23:58:38 +0200
Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 May 2008 19:17:40 -0400
> "Pariksheet Nanda" <pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > >> Shouldn't this work? When I start kopete, the notification icon is created as a smal window in the upper left
> > > >> corner of the screen and not in the XFCE system tray? Am I doing something wrong or?
> > >
> > >  I am running Gentoo and using the latest stable version in Portage (4.4.2)
> > >
> > >  BTJ
> > 
> > I just installed Kopete on Gentoo and do not experience your problem in Xfce.
> > Therefore this is not an Xfce related bug / configuration problem.
> > 
> > Since it is no longer appropriate to continue discussion of your issue
> > on this mailing list, I request you to please start a thread on the
> > Gentoo forums and mail me about it.
> > 
> 
> Could you tell me which USE flags you use...(for KDE and XFCE)?
> 
> BTJ

I seem to have "solved" the problem... I forgot to mention that I am running dual screen and I just tried something...
I tried to run kopete on the other screen and whoola; the kopete icon was inside the system tray...

So my new question is, does this mean that the kde apps only work with my system tray on the other screen or is there a
workaround? (Gnome apps works as they should...)


BTJ

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun May  4 02:58:40 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:58:40 -0700
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
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On Sun, 4 May 2008 00:28:45 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> 
> I seem to have "solved" the problem... I forgot to mention that I am
> running dual screen and I just tried something... I tried to run
> kopete on the other screen and whoola; the kopete icon was inside the
> system tray...
> 
> So my new question is, does this mean that the kde apps only work
> with my system tray on the other screen or is there a workaround?
> (Gnome apps works as they should...)

Ahhh, that makes a bit of sense.  The systray is a "per screen"
entity.  If you use "old style" multihead, your X display is considered
to have multiple screens, and so if you want to do it this way, you'd
have to have a systray on each screen.  If you use Xinerama or XRandR
1.2 ("new style" multihead), then your physical screens are considered
just multiple monitors of a single X screen, and you don't have to
worry about these things. (Yes, this is ridiculously confusing and
retarded.)

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun May  4 02:59:20 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:59:20 -0700
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <229b7e970805021617l2b05c762y602399af6e62ea3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 19:17:40 -0400 Pariksheet Nanda wrote:

> Since it is no longer appropriate to continue discussion of your issue
> on this mailing list, I request you to please start a thread on the
> Gentoo forums and mail me about it.

Bzzt, looks like you were wrong.  Please don't make random
pronouncements like this unless you have a solid reason to back it up.

	-brian


From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 11:46:18 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:46:18 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:58:40 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 May 2008 00:28:45 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> > 
> > I seem to have "solved" the problem... I forgot to mention that I am
> > running dual screen and I just tried something... I tried to run
> > kopete on the other screen and whoola; the kopete icon was inside the
> > system tray...
> > 
> > So my new question is, does this mean that the kde apps only work
> > with my system tray on the other screen or is there a workaround?
> > (Gnome apps works as they should...)
> 
> Ahhh, that makes a bit of sense.  The systray is a "per screen"
> entity.  If you use "old style" multihead, your X display is considered
> to have multiple screens, and so if you want to do it this way, you'd
> have to have a systray on each screen.  If you use Xinerama or XRandR
> 1.2 ("new style" multihead), then your physical screens are considered
> just multiple monitors of a single X screen, and you don't have to
> worry about these things. (Yes, this is ridiculously confusing and
> retarded.)

Not sure if I understood... I want my screens to be two separate screens, i.e. I want to be able to have virtual
desktops on both and also separate panels on each screen, i.e not just one large screen... Can this be configured more
than one way? And if so, which is the correct way?

What I am doing now, is to define it like this:

Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier     "X.org"
        Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
        Screen      1  "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0"
        InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
        InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection


BTJ

From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 12:53:50 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:53:50 +0200
Subject: Right align system tray?
Message-ID: <20080504125350.753aafbe@pennywise2.havleik.no>

Is it possible to right align the system tray on the panel? It just align itself to quick launcher and I want it to be
all the way to the right... :-)


Regards,

BTJ

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bj?rn T Johansen

btj at havleik.no
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone wrote:
"I understand that if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear strange Satanic messages"
To which someone replied:
"It's even worse than that; play it forwards and it installs Windows"
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From ale at pcartwright.com  Sun May  4 13:49:52 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:49:52 -0400
Subject: power settings
Message-ID: <200805040749.52875.ale@pcartwright.com>

is there a menu somewhere in xfce to set the screen & HD power settings? I 
thought in other WM it was in the display settings under power management..
or, I guess the question is, where do you set it to turn the monitor off after 
so many minutes..
-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From corsac at debian.org  Sun May  4 14:21:56 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 14:21:56 +0200
Subject: Right align system tray?
In-Reply-To: <20080504125350.753aafbe@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080504125350.753aafbe@pennywise2.havleik.no>
Message-ID: <1209903716.30830.2.camel@hidalgo>

On dim, 2008-05-04 at 12:53 +0200, Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> Is it possible to right align the system tray on the panel? It just align itself to quick launcher and I want it to be
> all the way to the right... :-)

Add a ?separator? plugin and set it to expand itself.
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 14:45:55 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:45:55 +0200
Subject: Right align system tray?
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On Sun, 04 May 2008 14:21:56 +0200
Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org> wrote:

> On dim, 2008-05-04 at 12:53 +0200, Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> > Is it possible to right align the system tray on the panel? It just align itself to quick launcher and I want it to
> > be all the way to the right... :-)
> 
> Add a ?separator? plugin and set it to expand itself.

Aahh... Worked like a charm, thx... :)

BTJ

From stefan.schwarzburg at googlemail.com  Sun May  4 15:53:51 2008
From: stefan.schwarzburg at googlemail.com (Stefan Schwarzburg)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:53:51 +0200
Subject: power settings
In-Reply-To: <200805040749.52875.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805040749.52875.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <c5726b700805040653x31b054fegdf748b12fd03fa8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul,
I might be wrong, but I think something like this is not part of Xfce.
I guess that it depends on the distribution that you use, where to find such
settings.
On my computer (a modified Xubuntu) this is under "Settings Manager" ->
"Screensaver" -> "Power Management".
This is mainly because my Screensaver (gnome-screensaver) has a button that
launches gnome-powermanager preferences :-)
So, if this is installed on your computer, then the best way would be to
type "gnome-power-preferences" in the commandline or in the run dialog that
comes up when you press "Alt+F2".

I hope this helps,
Stefan


2008/5/4 Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com>:

> is there a menu somewhere in xfce to set the screen & HD power settings? I
> thought in other WM it was in the display settings under power
> management..
> or, I guess the question is, where do you set it to turn the monitor off
> after
> so many minutes..
> --
> Paul Cartwright
> Registered Linux user # 367800
> Registered Ubuntu User #12459
> _______________________________________________
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> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
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From regmeplease at gmail.com  Sun May  4 16:52:34 2008
From: regmeplease at gmail.com (regme please)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:52:34 +0200
Subject: Bluetooth Browsing: how to? (applet?)
Message-ID: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all.
I've just switched to the XForce. Is there any applet to browse the
available  bluetooth network?
Thanks.
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Sun May  4 17:42:00 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:42:00 -0600
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
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On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:58:40 -0700
>
> "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
>
>
> > On Sun, 4 May 2008 00:28:45 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I seem to have "solved" the problem... I forgot to mention that I am
>  > > running dual screen and I just tried something... I tried to run
>  > > kopete on the other screen and whoola; the kopete icon was inside the
>  > > system tray...
>  > >
>  > > So my new question is, does this mean that the kde apps only work
>  > > with my system tray on the other screen or is there a workaround?
>  > > (Gnome apps works as they should...)
>  >
>  > Ahhh, that makes a bit of sense.  The systray is a "per screen"
>  > entity.  If you use "old style" multihead, your X display is considered
>  > to have multiple screens, and so if you want to do it this way, you'd
>  > have to have a systray on each screen.  If you use Xinerama or XRandR
>  > 1.2 ("new style" multihead), then your physical screens are considered
>  > just multiple monitors of a single X screen, and you don't have to
>  > worry about these things. (Yes, this is ridiculously confusing and
>  > retarded.)
>
>  Not sure if I understood... I want my screens to be two separate screens, i.e. I want to be able to have virtual
>  desktops on both and also separate panels on each screen, i.e not just one large screen... Can this be configured more
>  than one way? And if so, which is the correct way?
>
>  What I am doing now, is to define it like this:
>
>  Section "ServerLayout"
>         Identifier     "X.org"
>         Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
>         Screen      1  "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0"
>         InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
>         InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
>  EndSection

I have a very similar setup, and it works well by placing a systray
onto each screens

~David

From corsac at debian.org  Sun May  4 17:46:17 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:46:17 +0200
Subject: Bluetooth Browsing: how to? (applet?)
In-Reply-To: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1209915977.9425.0.camel@hidalgo>

On dim, 2008-05-04 at 16:52 +0200, regme please wrote:
> I've just switched to the XForce. Is there any applet to browse the
> available  bluetooth network?

bluetooth-applet, in bluez-gnome.
-- 
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From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 18:35:37 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:35:37 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
Message-ID: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>

I have moved and deleted some panels back and forth and when I now start a program from the quicklauncher on my seconds
screen, the program is started on my first screen... Is there some settings somewhere where I can state that the program
started at my ssecond screen should be opened at my second screen or is there something else I can do to make this work
again?


Regards,

BTJ


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bj?rn T Johansen

btj at havleik.no
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone wrote:
"I understand that if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear strange Satanic messages"
To which someone replied:
"It's even worse than that; play it forwards and it installs Windows"
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From ale at pcartwright.com  Sun May  4 18:45:17 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:45:17 -0400
Subject: power settings
In-Reply-To: <c5726b700805040653x31b054fegdf748b12fd03fa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805040749.52875.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<c5726b700805040653x31b054fegdf748b12fd03fa8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805041245.17716.ale@pcartwright.com>

On Sun May 4 2008, Stefan Schwarzburg wrote:
> I might be wrong, but I think something like this is not part of Xfce.
> I guess that it depends on the distribution that you use, where to find
> such settings.
> On my computer (a modified Xubuntu) this is under "Settings Manager" ->
> "Screensaver" -> "Power Management".

right, gnome menus..
> This is mainly because my Screensaver (gnome-screensaver) has a button that
> launches gnome-powermanager preferences :-)


> So, if this is installed on your computer, then the best way would be to
> type "gnome-power-preferences" in the commandline or in the run dialog that
> comes up when you press "Alt+F2".


that worked, that is exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
"gnome-power-preferences"

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 19:10:43 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:10:43 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
Message-ID: <20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>

On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:35:37 +0200
Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:

> I have moved and deleted some panels back and forth and when I now start a program from the quicklauncher on my
> seconds screen, the program is started on my first screen... Is there some settings somewhere where I can state that
> the program started at my ssecond screen should be opened at my second screen or is there something else I can do to
> make this work again?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> BTJ
> 
> 

BTW, If I use Launcher and not QuickLauncher, the programs opens in the corrects screen... Is this a known limitation
to quicklauncher or?


BTJ

From regmeplease at gmail.com  Sun May  4 19:18:58 2008
From: regmeplease at gmail.com (regme please)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:18:58 +0200
Subject: Bluetooth Browsing: how to? (applet?)
In-Reply-To: <1209915977.9425.0.camel@hidalgo>
References: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209915977.9425.0.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <446c7e870805041018y32ea3ee8oa3caee819973d794@mail.gmail.com>

Hi again.

The point is that I expect to (double)click on the blue icon but nothing
happens.
By the way, "hcitool scan" correctly shows the blue tooth devices.

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org> wrote:

> On dim, 2008-05-04 at 16:52 +0200, regme please wrote:
> > I've just switched to the XForce. Is there any applet to browse the
> > available  bluetooth network?
>
> bluetooth-applet, in bluez-gnome.
> --
> Yves-Alexis
>
> _______________________________________________
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From corsac at debian.org  Sun May  4 19:29:38 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 19:29:38 +0200
Subject: Bluetooth Browsing: how to? (applet?)
In-Reply-To: <446c7e870805041018y32ea3ee8oa3caee819973d794@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>
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On dim, 2008-05-04 at 19:18 +0200, regme please wrote:
> Hi again.
> 
> The point is that I expect to (double)click on the blue icon but
> nothing happens.
> By the way, "hcitool scan" correctly shows the blue tooth devices.

Try a right click? (btw, you won't find much help on bluez-gnome here, I
guess)
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Sun May  4 19:47:39 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:47:39 -0600
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
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On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:35:37 +0200
>  Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
>
>  > I have moved and deleted some panels back and forth and when I now start a program from the quicklauncher on my
>  > seconds screen, the program is started on my first screen... Is there some settings somewhere where I can state that
>  > the program started at my ssecond screen should be opened at my second screen or is there something else I can do to
>  > make this work again?
>  >
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  >
>  > BTJ
>  >
>  >
>
>  BTW, If I use Launcher and not QuickLauncher, the programs opens in the corrects screen... Is this a known limitation
>  to quicklauncher or?

Ok, I can confirm that.

I have had similar problems before, and tried to submit some patches
to get it fixed. I'm not sure if they really made it in though,
because it wasn't clear at that point whether this is an xfce or a gtk
bug. I didn't have time to look into the gtk sources, unfortunately...

I guess an indication that it's a gtk bug could be that when I try to
launch the web browser from pidgin (on my second screen), it appear on
my first screen.

But it's great that I've found a second xfce user who uses this
(unfortunately uncommon) dual screen setup, so I might use that as
encouragement to look into the issue again at some point (might be a
little while though).

~David

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun May  4 20:09:59 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:09:59 -0700
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080504114618.6bddb5c8@pennywise2.havleik.no>
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On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:46:18 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:

> On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:58:40 -0700
> "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> 
>
> > Ahhh, that makes a bit of sense.  The systray is a "per screen"
> > entity.  If you use "old style" multihead, your X display is
> > considered to have multiple screens, and so if you want to do it
> > this way, you'd have to have a systray on each screen.  If you use
> > Xinerama or XRandR 1.2 ("new style" multihead), then your physical
> > screens are considered just multiple monitors of a single X screen,
> > and you don't have to worry about these things. (Yes, this is
> > ridiculously confusing and retarded.)
> 
> Not sure if I understood... I want my screens to be two separate
> screens, i.e. I want to be able to have virtual desktops on both and
> also separate panels on each screen, i.e not just one large screen...
> Can this be configured more than one way? And if so, which is the
> correct way?

There really isn't a "correct" way, but the way you're using with two
separate screens seems to be less favored these days, and current and
future work in X.org is to use XRandR 1.2-style multi-monitor (which is
basically an enhanced version of Xinerama).  This supports hot-plugging
monitors and dynamically reconfiguring your display based on whatever's
plugged in at the moment, among other things.  Like Xinerama, it uses a
single logical screen with multiple sub-monitors, so you wouldn't be
able to (for example) switch workspaces independently on each screen
without special WM support (which xfwm4 does not have).

> What I am doing now, is to define it like this:
> 
> Section "ServerLayout"
>         Identifier     "X.org"
>         Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
>         Screen      1  "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0"
>         InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
>         InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> EndSection

Right, that's perfectly fine, but you'll get two separate X screens on
on your X display, rather than a single X screen with multiple
monitors.  Generally, to set this up the "new" way, you'd add:

Option     "XRandR12"  "on"

to your Device section (if your driver/X server supports it), or

Option     "Xinerama"  "on"

to... erm... either Device or ServerLayout; can't remember.

If you want to stick with your current setup, that's fine, but you'll
have to put a systray on each screen if you want things to work
properly when you launch apps on either screen that use it.

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun May  4 20:12:54 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:54 -0700
Subject: Bluetooth Browsing: how to? (applet?)
In-Reply-To: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080504111254.5659b946@kepler>

On Sun, 4 May 2008 16:52:34 +0200 regme please wrote:

> Hello all.
> I've just switched to the XForce. Is there any applet to browse the
> available  bluetooth network?
> Thanks.

Sorry, Xfce doesn't have any bluetooth-related functionality (it's on
my TODO list, but pretty far down at present).  As Yves-Alexis says,
you're best off using bluez-gnome, or gnome-bluetooth.  You'll want to
use their support resources if you're having trouble, though.

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Sun May  4 20:15:57 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:15:57 -0700
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
Message-ID: <20080504111557.566cbe02@kepler>

On Sun, 4 May 2008 19:10:43 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:

> On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:35:37 +0200
> Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> 
> > I have moved and deleted some panels back and forth and when I now
> > start a program from the quicklauncher on my seconds screen, the
> > program is started on my first screen... Is there some settings
> > somewhere where I can state that the program started at my ssecond
> > screen should be opened at my second screen or is there something
> > else I can do to make this work again?
> 
> BTW, If I use Launcher and not QuickLauncher, the programs opens in
> the corrects screen... Is this a known limitation to quicklauncher or?

Hmm, yeah, you've probably hit a bug in quicklauncher.  I'm not sure,
but quicklauncher might be unmaintained, though I imagine it's probably
a one-line fix to get it working...

	-brian

From xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk  Sun May  4 21:06:58 2008
From: xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk (Stefan Stuhr)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:06:58 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250805041047w22a940a7g8765bb3f3cb7ed73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<472d4b250805041047w22a940a7g8765bb3f3cb7ed73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1209928018.7569.16.camel@thorold>

David Mohr wrote:
> Ok, I can confirm that.
> 
> I have had similar problems before, and tried to submit some patches
> to get it fixed. I'm not sure if they really made it in though,
> because it wasn't clear at that point whether this is an xfce or a gtk
> bug. I didn't have time to look into the gtk sources, unfortunately...
> 
> I guess an indication that it's a gtk bug could be that when I try to
> launch the web browser from pidgin (on my second screen), it appear on
> my first screen.

It's probably more of a problem with the developers of applications(1)
having this problem not having this kind of multi screen setup in mind
while coding the application launching parts of their programs.

(1): ?Or panel plugins, in the case of QuickLauncher.

> [...]
> 
> ~David

Stefan


From ale at pcartwright.com  Sun May  4 21:22:12 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:22:12 -0400
Subject: Ssystem tray missing
Message-ID: <200805041522.12961.ale@pcartwright.com>

something bad happened, I lost sound ( trying to play a movie..) so I 
rebooted. When I started xfce back up, my system trays, both top and bottom 
are missing. When I do alt-tab I can see the apps that are running, but when 
I minimize them, they just disappear... where do I look for the config file 
to remove/rename/modify??
-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From corsac at debian.org  Sun May  4 21:25:29 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:25:29 +0200
Subject: Ssystem tray missing
In-Reply-To: <200805041522.12961.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805041522.12961.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <1209929129.28690.11.camel@hidalgo>

On dim, 2008-05-04 at 15:22 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> something bad happened, I lost sound ( trying to play a movie..) so I 
> rebooted. When I started xfce back up, my system trays, both top and
> bottom 
> are missing. When I do alt-tab I can see the apps that are running,
> but when 
> I minimize them, they just disappear... where do I look for the config
> file 
> to remove/rename/modify??

xfce4-panel
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Sun May  4 21:45:30 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:45:30 -0600
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <1209928018.7569.16.camel@thorold>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
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On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Stefan Stuhr <xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk> wrote:
> David Mohr wrote:
>  > Ok, I can confirm that.
>  >
>  > I have had similar problems before, and tried to submit some patches
>  > to get it fixed. I'm not sure if they really made it in though,
>  > because it wasn't clear at that point whether this is an xfce or a gtk
>  > bug. I didn't have time to look into the gtk sources, unfortunately...
>  >
>  > I guess an indication that it's a gtk bug could be that when I try to
>  > launch the web browser from pidgin (on my second screen), it appear on
>  > my first screen.
>
>  It's probably more of a problem with the developers of applications(1)
>  having this problem not having this kind of multi screen setup in mind
>  while coding the application launching parts of their programs.

Well, if they use the glib/gtk functions to spawn a new process, and
these functions are described to correctly preserve the environment,
then it might fall back on a toolkit bug.

>  (1): ?Or panel plugins, in the case of QuickLauncher.
>
>  > [...]
>  >
>  > ~David
>
>  Stefan

From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 22:01:07 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:01:07 +0200
Subject: System tray and KDE apps?
In-Reply-To: <20080504110959.12430acb@kepler>
References: <20080501230230.1c7b5000@pennywise>
	<20080502190608.75a37871@pennywise2.havleik.no>
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On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:09:59 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:46:18 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:58:40 -0700
> > "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >
> > > Ahhh, that makes a bit of sense.  The systray is a "per screen"
> > > entity.  If you use "old style" multihead, your X display is
> > > considered to have multiple screens, and so if you want to do it
> > > this way, you'd have to have a systray on each screen.  If you use
> > > Xinerama or XRandR 1.2 ("new style" multihead), then your physical
> > > screens are considered just multiple monitors of a single X screen,
> > > and you don't have to worry about these things. (Yes, this is
> > > ridiculously confusing and retarded.)
> > 
> > Not sure if I understood... I want my screens to be two separate
> > screens, i.e. I want to be able to have virtual desktops on both and
> > also separate panels on each screen, i.e not just one large screen...
> > Can this be configured more than one way? And if so, which is the
> > correct way?
> 
> There really isn't a "correct" way, but the way you're using with two
> separate screens seems to be less favored these days, and current and
> future work in X.org is to use XRandR 1.2-style multi-monitor (which is
> basically an enhanced version of Xinerama).  This supports hot-plugging
> monitors and dynamically reconfiguring your display based on whatever's
> plugged in at the moment, among other things.  Like Xinerama, it uses a
> single logical screen with multiple sub-monitors, so you wouldn't be
> able to (for example) switch workspaces independently on each screen
> without special WM support (which xfwm4 does not have).
> 
> > What I am doing now, is to define it like this:
> > 
> > Section "ServerLayout"
> >         Identifier     "X.org"
> >         Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
> >         Screen      1  "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0"
> >         InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
> >         InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> > EndSection
> 
> Right, that's perfectly fine, but you'll get two separate X screens on
> on your X display, rather than a single X screen with multiple
> monitors.  Generally, to set this up the "new" way, you'd add:
> 
> Option     "XRandR12"  "on"
> 
> to your Device section (if your driver/X server supports it), or
> 
> Option     "Xinerama"  "on"
> 
> to... erm... either Device or ServerLayout; can't remember.
> 
> If you want to stick with your current setup, that's fine, but you'll
> have to put a systray on each screen if you want things to work
> properly when you launch apps on either screen that use it.
> 
> 	-brian

Thx... I will check it out but I don't like that the screens are not independent of each other.... :)

BTJ

From btj at havleik.no  Sun May  4 22:04:31 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:04:31 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <20080504111557.566cbe02@kepler>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504111557.566cbe02@kepler>
Message-ID: <20080504220431.346ffd1b@pennywise2.havleik.no>

On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:15:57 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 May 2008 19:10:43 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:35:37 +0200
> > Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> > 
> > > I have moved and deleted some panels back and forth and when I now
> > > start a program from the quicklauncher on my seconds screen, the
> > > program is started on my first screen... Is there some settings
> > > somewhere where I can state that the program started at my ssecond
> > > screen should be opened at my second screen or is there something
> > > else I can do to make this work again?
> > 
> > BTW, If I use Launcher and not QuickLauncher, the programs opens in
> > the corrects screen... Is this a known limitation to quicklauncher or?
> 
> Hmm, yeah, you've probably hit a bug in quicklauncher.  I'm not sure,
> but quicklauncher might be unmaintained, though I imagine it's probably
> a one-line fix to get it working...
> 

It is possible then to make launcher behave like quicklauncher, with all the applications in one single line in my panel
or does launcher only work with one icon on the panel and the rest in the "drop down menu"? (I don't like to click one
extra time if I don't have to... :) )

BTJ

From xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk  Sun May  4 22:53:29 2008
From: xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk (Stefan Stuhr)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:53:29 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <20080504220431.346ffd1b@pennywise2.havleik.no>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504111557.566cbe02@kepler>
	<20080504220431.346ffd1b@pennywise2.havleik.no>
Message-ID: <1209934409.7569.20.camel@thorold>

s?n, 04 05 2008 kl. 22:04 +0200, skrev Bj?rn T Johansen:
> It is possible then to make launcher behave like quicklauncher, with all the applications in one single line in my panel
> or does launcher only work with one icon on the panel and the rest in the "drop down menu"? (I don't like to click one
> extra time if I don't have to... :) )

Add one launcher plugin instance per icon, and don't use the submenu
feature for things you want really easy access to.

> BTJ


From ale at pcartwright.com  Sun May  4 23:01:20 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:01:20 -0400
Subject: Ssystem tray missing
In-Reply-To: <1209929129.28690.11.camel@hidalgo>
References: <200805041522.12961.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<1209929129.28690.11.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <200805041701.20953.ale@pcartwright.com>

On Sun May 4 2008, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > something bad happened, I lost sound ( trying to play a movie..) so I
> > rebooted. When I started xfce back up, my system trays, both top and
> > bottom
> > are missing. When I do alt-tab I can see the apps that are running,
> > but when
> > I minimize them, they just disappear... where do I look for the config
> > file
> > to remove/rename/modify??
>
> xfce4-panel
> --

YEAH !!!!
so I run that in a terminal window it works, puts my trays back. When I CTRL-C 
out of it, it goes away. when I do 
xfce4-panel &
it stays.. but where does it go to make it come back up when I log in?

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From ale at pcartwright.com  Mon May  5 03:50:10 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:50:10 -0400
Subject: no sound
Message-ID: <200805042150.10262.ale@pcartwright.com>

ok, I'm not sure it is related to my installing XFCE, but now I have no sound 
for most apps- Amarok, Banshee, totem, but XMMS and Realplayer have sound..

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon May  5 05:32:56 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:32:56 -0600
Subject: no sound
In-Reply-To: <200805042150.10262.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805042150.10262.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <472d4b250805042032o6f15e9acr460e1eaf5ad1c17f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com> wrote:
> ok, I'm not sure it is related to my installing XFCE, but now I have no sound
>  for most apps- Amarok, Banshee, totem, but XMMS and Realplayer have sound..

This is not related to xfce at all. But you might want to check what
kind of output method/plugin you are using with those apps that don't
work.

~David

From john at jcoppens.com  Mon May  5 06:30:31 2008
From: john at jcoppens.com (John Coppens)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 01:30:31 -0300
Subject: Simplified pager or similar
In-Reply-To: <48178EB9.40607@cornell.edu>
References: <20080425012234.d32eed09.john@jcoppens.com>
	<229b7e970804281751n40097bbeye4951f7575439b2e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:10:17 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Given that Xfce is generally under-resourced, it tends to slightly
> annoy me when someone asks for something we don't have time for. 

Ok - my offer stands... I've noticed some backlog in Spanish
translations. I'll see if I can update some .po's.

I did install the complete SVN, and had some strange experiences:

1) First run, the desktop selector appeared and worked fine.
2) I then detected that some packages weren't compiled right,
   because (I think) the compile order has to change. Panel
   needed exo, which wasn't compiled yet. I had some problems
   with dependencies of exo too, but solved them, and compiled
   exo and then Panel.
3) Desktop-selector has disappeared... And I can't find how to
   reactivate it - can't find where it is (or which part it
   belongs to.

John

From corsac at debian.org  Mon May  5 08:02:03 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:02:03 +0200
Subject: Ssystem tray missing
In-Reply-To: <200805041701.20953.ale@pcartwright.com>
References: <200805041522.12961.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<1209929129.28690.11.camel@hidalgo>
	<200805041701.20953.ale@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <1209967323.28690.18.camel@hidalgo>

On dim, 2008-05-04 at 17:01 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> but where does it go to make it come back up when I log in?

save your session at logout
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From pollux at xfce.org  Mon May  5 08:24:49 2008
From: pollux at xfce.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois?= Wauthy)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:24:49 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
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On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 13:45 -0600, David Mohr wrote:

> Well, if they use the glib/gtk functions to spawn a new process, and
> these functions are described to correctly preserve the environment,
> then it might fall back on a toolkit bug.
> 
Like this one ? :

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497727

-- 
Jean-Fran?ois Wauthy <pollux at xfce.org>
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon May  5 08:29:08 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 00:29:08 -0600
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Jean-Fran?ois Wauthy <pollux at xfce.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 13:45 -0600, David Mohr wrote:
>
>  > Well, if they use the glib/gtk functions to spawn a new process, and
>  > these functions are described to correctly preserve the environment,
>  > then it might fall back on a toolkit bug.
>  >
>  Like this one ? :
>
>  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497727

Oh, you followed up on it back then, that's right. I forgot :-\ Thanks
again :-).

~David

From pollux at xfce.org  Mon May  5 08:35:41 2008
From: pollux at xfce.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois?= Wauthy)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:35:41 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250805042329qd474275re8336e187657648e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<472d4b250805041047w22a940a7g8765bb3f3cb7ed73@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209928018.7569.16.camel@thorold>
	<472d4b250805041245q7dc79aecx2d1d83978c484aab@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209968689.3827.0.camel@indiana.infonet.fundp.ac.be>
	<472d4b250805042329qd474275re8336e187657648e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1209969342.3827.3.camel@indiana.infonet.fundp.ac.be>

On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 00:29 -0600, David Mohr wrote:

> >  Like this one ? :
> >
> >  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497727
> 
> Oh, you followed up on it back then, that's right. I forgot :-\ Thanks
> again :-).

However, the Xfce helper functions like xfce_exec_on_screen haven't that
problem since we change the DISPLAY environment variable accordingly.

-- 
Jean-Fran?ois Wauthy <pollux at xfce.org>
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From smirnoffjr at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:49:25 2008
From: smirnoffjr at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDRgNGC0LXQvCDQodC80LjRgNC90L7Qsg==?=)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:49:25 +0400
Subject: Session management
Message-ID: <4ab99cfd0805050349l6dc5c463gb1638e67f111fd9c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

How can I manage sessions in XFCE e.g. disable some program store it's
state after logout?

Thanks.

-- 
Artyom

From corsac at debian.org  Mon May  5 13:19:28 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 13:19:28 +0200
Subject: Session management
In-Reply-To: <4ab99cfd0805050349l6dc5c463gb1638e67f111fd9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ab99cfd0805050349l6dc5c463gb1638e67f111fd9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505111928.GA13522@molly.corsac.net>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:49:25AM +0000, ????? ??????? wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> How can I manage sessions in XFCE e.g. disable some program store it's
> state after logout?
Save your session at logout in the state you want it?
-- 
Yves-Alexis

From smirnoffjr at gmail.com  Mon May  5 13:37:05 2008
From: smirnoffjr at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDRgNGC0LXQvCDQodC80LjRgNC90L7Qsg==?=)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:37:05 +0400
Subject: Session management
In-Reply-To: <20080505111928.GA13522@molly.corsac.net>
References: <4ab99cfd0805050349l6dc5c463gb1638e67f111fd9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505111928.GA13522@molly.corsac.net>
Message-ID: <4ab99cfd0805050437m7594c4a3obe56b3cc6ad4b6fb@mail.gmail.com>

>  Save your session at logout in the state you want it?
No, I want manually start some programs, without session management,
and don't want this programs save their state after logout.


-- 
Artyom

From corsac at debian.org  Mon May  5 13:44:01 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 13:44:01 +0200
Subject: Session management
In-Reply-To: <4ab99cfd0805050437m7594c4a3obe56b3cc6ad4b6fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ab99cfd0805050349l6dc5c463gb1638e67f111fd9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505111928.GA13522@molly.corsac.net>
	<4ab99cfd0805050437m7594c4a3obe56b3cc6ad4b6fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505114400.GB14287@molly.corsac.net>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 11:37:05AM +0000, ????? ??????? wrote:
> >  Save your session at logout in the state you want it?
> No, I want manually start some programs, without session management,

Settings / Autostarted applications

> and don't want this programs save their state after logout.

Ask them not to. I'm not sure you can ask xfce4-session no to save them.
-- 
Yves-Alexis

From ale at pcartwright.com  Mon May  5 13:44:53 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 07:44:53 -0400
Subject: Ssystem tray missing
In-Reply-To: <1209967323.28690.18.camel@hidalgo>
References: <200805041522.12961.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<200805041701.20953.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<1209967323.28690.18.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <200805050744.53608.ale@pcartwright.com>

On Mon May 5 2008, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > but where does it go to make it come back up when I log in?
>
> save your session at logout

thanks! I found that option under settings-Sessions..
I'll try it next time Iog out!

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From ale at pcartwright.com  Mon May  5 13:48:49 2008
From: ale at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 07:48:49 -0400
Subject: no sound
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250805042032o6f15e9acr460e1eaf5ad1c17f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805042150.10262.ale@pcartwright.com>
	<472d4b250805042032o6f15e9acr460e1eaf5ad1c17f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805050748.49105.ale@pcartwright.com>

On Sun May 4 2008, David Mohr wrote:
> > ok, I'm not sure it is related to my installing XFCE, but now I have no
> > sound for most apps- Amarok, Banshee, totem, but XMMS and Realplayer have
> > sound..
>
> This is not related to xfce at all. But you might want to check what
> kind of output method/plugin you are using with those apps that don't
> work.

something happened, and I'm just not sure what, and it happened after I 
installed xfce.. when I rebooted into the testing kernel ( normally run 
Etch ) I was able to run xfce and play ( and hear) videos. So you are 
probably correct, it is more a Debian question than XFCE.

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Mon May  5 14:44:14 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:44:14 +0200
Subject: Session management
In-Reply-To: <20080505114400.GB14287@molly.corsac.net>
References: <4ab99cfd0805050349l6dc5c463gb1638e67f111fd9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505111928.GA13522@molly.corsac.net>
	<4ab99cfd0805050437m7594c4a3obe56b3cc6ad4b6fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505114400.GB14287@molly.corsac.net>
Message-ID: <20080505124414.GD19972@failure.del>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 01:44:01PM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 11:37:05AM +0000, ????? ??????? wrote:
> > >  Save your session at logout in the state you want it?
> > No, I want manually start some programs, without session management,
> 
> Settings / Autostarted applications
> 
> > and don't want this programs save their state after logout.
> 
> Ask them not to. I'm not sure you can ask xfce4-session no to save them.

You have to save your session on log out without any apps running, and
on the next logouts you take care to _not_ save the session.

Mike

From btj at havleik.no  Mon May  5 15:57:41 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= T Johansen)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:57:41 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <1209934409.7569.20.camel@thorold>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504191043.6dc28260@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<20080504111557.566cbe02@kepler>
	<20080504220431.346ffd1b@pennywise2.havleik.no>
	<1209934409.7569.20.camel@thorold>
Message-ID: <20080505155741.e00faf52.btj@havleik.no>

On Sun, 04 May 2008 22:53:29 +0200
Stefan Stuhr <xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk> wrote:

> s?n, 04 05 2008 kl. 22:04 +0200, skrev Bj?rn T Johansen:
> > Is it possible then to make launcher behave like quicklauncher, with all the applications in one single line in my panel
> > or does launcher only work with one icon on the panel and the rest in the "drop down menu"? (I don't like to click one
> > extra time if I don't have to... :) )
> 
> Add one launcher plugin instance per icon, and don't use the submenu
> feature for things you want really easy access to.

That I can do... :) But XFCE will use more resources but I guess this is minimal for each launcher....

BTJ

From mike.massonnet at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:08:22 2008
From: mike.massonnet at gmail.com (mike.massonnet@gmail.com)
Date: Mon,  5 May 2008 16:08:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: ANN: xfce4-notes-plugin version 1.6.2 released
Message-ID: <20080505160822.479B5F29DD@mocha.foo-projects.org>

Hello,

Find a new version of the notes plugin.  It has only a single major
addition: an (optional) properties dialog with xfconf!  By default it
compiles without xfconf, you have to run the configure script with the
flag --enable-configure-dialog.

The new dep will become required when Xfce 4.6 will be ready.

Happy notes!
PS: for those who will miss the properties dialog, it looks like that:
http://files.mmassonnet.info/xfce/notes-plugin-properties-dialog.png

VERSION 1.6.2

- Add properties dialog (need xfconf at build-time)
  - Default configuration
  - New window configuration
- Display an optional arrow beneath the panel plugin button to show the menu
- Updated translations (ca, de, el, eu, fr, hu, nb_NO, nl, pt_BR, pt_PT)


Download this release:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-notes-plugin/xfce4-notes-plugin-1.6.2.tar.gz

Changelog:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-notes-plugin/ChangeLog

Project website:
  http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-notes-plugin/

From regmeplease at gmail.com  Mon May  5 21:18:58 2008
From: regmeplease at gmail.com (regme please)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:18:58 +0200
Subject: Bluetooth Browsing: how to? (applet?)
In-Reply-To: <1209922178.28690.0.camel@hidalgo>
References: <446c7e870805040752q7836739eu4bafc4230798ca5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209915977.9425.0.camel@hidalgo>
	<446c7e870805041018y32ea3ee8oa3caee819973d794@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209922178.28690.0.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <446c7e870805051218h41fb66abic633a5a5a1605c@mail.gmail.com>

Right click doesn't show anything but Preferences, Informaion, Send File.

I'll try on different mailing list, though: this seems to be related to
GNOME more than XFCE.

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org> wrote:

> On dim, 2008-05-04 at 19:18 +0200, regme please wrote:
> > Hi again.
> >
> > The point is that I expect to (double)click on the blue icon but
> > nothing happens.
> > By the way, "hcitool scan" correctly shows the blue tooth devices.
>
> Try a right click? (btw, you won't find much help on bluez-gnome here, I
> guess)
> --
> Yves-Alexis
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
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From regmeplease at gmail.com  Mon May  5 21:28:26 2008
From: regmeplease at gmail.com (regme please)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:28:26 +0200
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
Message-ID: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.
I was having problems with applications using the microphone.
Then I remembered about the struggling I had with KDE and KMix.
I installed it (yes, KMix under XFCE!) and copied the configuration.
The microphone started working magically.
This means that the xfce4-mixer has some troubles that are not present in
the KDE one.
It's a pity, but at least I can use Skype again!
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From alexander.toresson at gmail.com  Mon May  5 22:02:18 2008
From: alexander.toresson at gmail.com (Alexander Toresson)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:02:18 +0200
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b33ba6660805051302w2243d136p9bce5d13197d55a4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:28 PM, regme please <regmeplease at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I was having problems with applications using the microphone.
> Then I remembered about the struggling I had with KDE and KMix.
> I installed it (yes, KMix under XFCE!) and copied the configuration.
> The microphone started working magically.
>  This means that the xfce4-mixer has some troubles that are not present in
> the KDE one.
> It's a pity, but at least I can use Skype again!
>

I guess that your volume levels were just set incorrectly, or that
some software switches  were set incorrectly.

// Alexander

From dvanhumb at sfu.ca  Tue May  6 01:13:55 2008
From: dvanhumb at sfu.ca (Daryl Van Humbeck)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 16:13:55 -0700
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481F94B3.7010903@sfu.ca>

regme please wrote:
> Hi all.
> I was having problems with applications using the microphone.
> Then I remembered about the struggling I had with KDE and KMix.
> I installed it (yes, KMix under XFCE!) and copied the configuration.
> The microphone started working magically.
> This means that the xfce4-mixer has some troubles that are not present 
> in the KDE one.
> It's a pity, but at least I can use Skype again!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
Part of the problem I noticed with the Xfce mixer is the fact that the 
number of audio channels isn't quite working properly (at least under 
the various versions of Ubuntu I've used).

To solve this problem, I use the command alsa-mixer on the commandline 
to change the number of audio channels back to 2, as it seems that the 
audio software uses the line-in or microphone jack for the second pair 
of channels...

Is this a bug and a bug report be opened?

Daryl.

From pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com  Tue May  6 04:45:47 2008
From: pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com (Pariksheet Nanda)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:45:47 -0400
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <481F94B3.7010903@sfu.ca>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
	<481F94B3.7010903@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <229b7e970805051945j163f1c5avc98ffaa6b29bcf07@mail.gmail.com>

>  Part of the problem I noticed with the Xfce mixer is the fact that the
>  number of audio channels isn't quite working properly (at least under
>  the various versions of Ubuntu I've used).
>
>  To solve this problem, I use the command alsa-mixer on the commandline
>  to change the number of audio channels back to 2, as it seems that the
>  audio software uses the line-in or microphone jack for the second pair
>  of channels...
>
>  Is this a bug and a bug report be opened?
>
>  Daryl.

Hi Daryl,

I'm inclined to say this is a bug, but the xfce-devs who may be
reading this mailing list can correct me on that ^_^

Doing an advanced search on xfce's bugzilla shift-highlighting all
entries for `Status' and with the `Summary' keyword as of
"xfce4-mixer" shows 24 bugs, none of which describe your situation.  I
would recommend you please file a bug about it.

I experienced that same problem as you on my nVidia MCP51 integrated
soundcard. In my case the audio channels *sometimes* get upset when I
adjusted the xfce4-mixer volume in my taskbar.  I didn't report it
because I could not consistently reproduce the problem.  The fix was,
as you figured out, changing the audio channels back to 2. ATM on my
distribution it's difficult for me to install the panel plugin to
confirm this behavior persists.

- Pariksheet

From wildman at pobox.com  Tue May  6 08:14:07 2008
From: wildman at pobox.com (Art Wildman)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 02:14:07 -0400
Subject: Fedora Xfce SIG
Message-ID: <481FF72F.90609@pobox.com>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Fedora Xfce SIG
Date: 	Mon, 05 May 2008 15:57:41 +0530
From: 	Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at fedoraproject.org>
Reply-To: 	fedora-list at redhat.com
Organization: 	Red Hat
To: 	fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com
CC: 	fedora-announce-list at redhat.com



Hi,

If you are a fan of Xfce and want to help improve the Xfce experience in 
Fedora, join the Xfce SIG (Special Interest Group) at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce

Maintaining Xfce packages, translations, documentation, artwork and 
improve the Fedora Xfce Spin (installable Live CD) are some of the 
things you can do to help the Xfce team in Fedora.

Rahul

-- 
fedora-announce-list mailing list
fedora-announce-list at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list



From dvanhumb at sfu.ca  Tue May  6 09:33:48 2008
From: dvanhumb at sfu.ca (Daryl Van Humbeck)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 00:33:48 -0700
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <229b7e970805051945j163f1c5avc98ffaa6b29bcf07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>	<481F94B3.7010903@sfu.ca>
	<229b7e970805051945j163f1c5avc98ffaa6b29bcf07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482009DC.9050305@sfu.ca>

Pariksheet Nanda wrote:
>>  Part of the problem I noticed with the Xfce mixer is the fact that the
>>  number of audio channels isn't quite working properly (at least under
>>  the various versions of Ubuntu I've used).
>>
>>  To solve this problem, I use the command alsa-mixer on the commandline
>>  to change the number of audio channels back to 2, as it seems that the
>>  audio software uses the line-in or microphone jack for the second pair
>>  of channels...
>>
>>  Is this a bug and a bug report be opened?
>>
>>  Daryl.
>>     
>
> Hi Daryl,
>
> I'm inclined to say this is a bug, but the xfce-devs who may be
> reading this mailing list can correct me on that ^_^
>
> Doing an advanced search on xfce's bugzilla shift-highlighting all
> entries for `Status' and with the `Summary' keyword as of
> "xfce4-mixer" shows 24 bugs, none of which describe your situation.  I
> would recommend you please file a bug about it.
>
> I experienced that same problem as you on my nVidia MCP51 integrated
> soundcard. In my case the audio channels *sometimes* get upset when I
> adjusted the xfce4-mixer volume in my taskbar.  I didn't report it
> because I could not consistently reproduce the problem.  The fix was,
> as you figured out, changing the audio channels back to 2. ATM on my
> distribution it's difficult for me to install the panel plugin to
> confirm this behavior persists.
>
> - Pariksheet

Thanks for checking for me, bug report now posted:
http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4063

Daryl.

From regmeplease at gmail.com  Tue May  6 19:55:45 2008
From: regmeplease at gmail.com (regme please)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:55:45 +0200
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <b33ba6660805051302w2243d136p9bce5d13197d55a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660805051302w2243d136p9bce5d13197d55a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446c7e870805061055t44aa6f30v156677fb73c58527@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried all possible configuration with and without headset, mic or
front mic, with or without cature.
None worked with xfce4-mixer.
It took 5 seconds with KMix. Useless to say I'd like to get rid of kmix.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Alexander Toresson <
alexander.toresson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:28 PM, regme please <regmeplease at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> > I was having problems with applications using the microphone.
> > Then I remembered about the struggling I had with KDE and KMix.
> > I installed it (yes, KMix under XFCE!) and copied the configuration.
> > The microphone started working magically.
> >  This means that the xfce4-mixer has some troubles that are not present
> in
> > the KDE one.
> > It's a pity, but at least I can use Skype again!
> >
>
> I guess that your volume levels were just set incorrectly, or that
> some software switches  were set incorrectly.
>
> // Alexander
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce mailing list
> Xfce at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> http://www.xfce.org
>
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From pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com  Thu May  8 02:02:40 2008
From: pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com (Pariksheet Nanda)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:02:40 -0400
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <446c7e870805061055t44aa6f30v156677fb73c58527@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660805051302w2243d136p9bce5d13197d55a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<446c7e870805061055t44aa6f30v156677fb73c58527@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <229b7e970805071702x688c4893s1623130ec126d37@mail.gmail.com>

> None worked with xfce4-mixer.
> It took 5 seconds with KMix. Useless to say I'd like to get rid of kmix.

Could you execute the command `amixer' to see what your settings are
when you use kmix, and for when you use xfce4-mixer?
That way you can know exactly which sound setting is getting disabled
to trace the problem.

From regmeplease at gmail.com  Thu May  8 07:00:46 2008
From: regmeplease at gmail.com (regme please)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 07:00:46 +0200
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <229b7e970805071702x688c4893s1623130ec126d37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes I can, while I don't know whether this makes any sense.
Once I "fixed the problem" with KMix, I had no need to run it again and
xfce4-mixer is not showing any
thing different than the last setup I did.
The current (working) setup as seen by amixer is here:
----
Simple mixer control 'Master',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Limits: Playback 0 - 64
  Mono: Playback 46 [72%] [-18.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
  Capabilities: pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback [on]
  Front Right: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 254 [100%] [0.20dB]
  Front Right: Playback 254 [100%] [0.20dB]
Simple mixer control 'Front',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 64
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Front Mic',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 18 [58%] [-7.50dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 18 [58%] [-7.50dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Front Mic Boost',0
  Capabilities: volume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: 0 - 3
  Front Left: 0 [0%]
  Front Right: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Line',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 26 [84%] [4.50dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 26 [84%] [4.50dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'CD',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [12.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [12.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 18 [58%] [-7.50dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 18 [58%] [-7.50dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost',0
  Capabilities: volume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: 0 - 3
  Front Left: 0 [0%]
  Front Right: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'PC Speaker',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 10 [32%] [-19.50dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 10 [32%] [-19.50dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 31
  Front Left: Capture 19 [61%] [15.00dB] [on]
  Front Right: Capture 19 [61%] [15.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Caller ID',0
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [off]
Simple mixer control 'Digital',0
  Capabilities: cvolume
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 120
  Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB]
  Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
  Capabilities: cenum
  Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line' 'CD'
  Item0: 'Mic'
Simple mixer control 'Off-hook',0
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [off]
----

What should I do in order to "read" the setup dpne with xfce4-mixer?

Thanks for the support.



On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Pariksheet Nanda <pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com>
wrote:

> > None worked with xfce4-mixer.
> > It took 5 seconds with KMix. Useless to say I'd like to get rid of kmix.
>
> Could you execute the command `amixer' to see what your settings are
> when you use kmix, and for when you use xfce4-mixer?
> That way you can know exactly which sound setting is getting disabled
> to trace the problem.
> _______________________________________________
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Thu May  8 07:13:51 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 23:13:51 -0600
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <20080505155741.e00faf52.btj@havleik.no>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 May 2008 22:53:29 +0200
>
> Stefan Stuhr <xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk> wrote:
>
>
> > s?n, 04 05 2008 kl. 22:04 +0200, skrev Bj?rn T Johansen:
>  > > Is it possible then to make launcher behave like quicklauncher, with all the applications in one single line in my panel
>
> > > or does launcher only work with one icon on the panel and the rest in the "drop down menu"? (I don't like to click one
>  > > extra time if I don't have to... :) )
>  >
>  > Add one launcher plugin instance per icon, and don't use the submenu
>  > feature for things you want really easy access to.
>
>  That I can do... :) But XFCE will use more resources but I guess this is minimal for each launcher....

Bj?rn, if you're not afraid of building from source, then you can try
the attached patch. It should solve the issue with the quicklauncher.
The fixes for the other plugins should be getting into svn soon.

~David
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Thu May  8 07:24:13 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 23:24:13 -0600
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <20080505155741.e00faf52.btj@havleik.no>
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 May 2008 22:53:29 +0200
>
> Stefan Stuhr <xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk> wrote:
>
>
> > s?n, 04 05 2008 kl. 22:04 +0200, skrev Bj?rn T Johansen:
>  > > Is it possible then to make launcher behave like quicklauncher, with all the applications in one single line in my panel
>
> > > or does launcher only work with one icon on the panel and the rest in the "drop down menu"? (I don't like to click one
>  > > extra time if I don't have to... :) )
>  >
>  > Add one launcher plugin instance per icon, and don't use the submenu
>  > feature for things you want really easy access to.
>
>  That I can do... :) But XFCE will use more resources but I guess this is minimal for each launcher....

Bj?rn, if you're not afraid of building from source, then you can try
the attached patch. It should solve the issue with the quicklauncher.
The fixes for the other plugins should be getting into svn soon.

~David

From btj at havleik.no  Thu May  8 08:26:31 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= T Johansen)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 08:26:31 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250805072224l1e078edcj8e2ddbe9c951a613@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
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Message-ID: <20080508082631.91afd1be.btj@havleik.no>

On Wed, 7 May 2008 23:24:13 -0600
"David Mohr" <damailings at mcbf.net> wrote:

> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> > On Sun, 04 May 2008 22:53:29 +0200
> >
> > Stefan Stuhr <xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > s?n, 04 05 2008 kl. 22:04 +0200, skrev Bj?rn T Johansen:
> >  > > Is it possible then to make launcher behave like quicklauncher, with all the applications in one single line in my panel
> >
> > > > or does launcher only work with one icon on the panel and the rest in the "drop down menu"? (I don't like to click one
> >  > > extra time if I don't have to... :) )
> >  >
> >  > Add one launcher plugin instance per icon, and don't use the submenu
> >  > feature for things you want really easy access to.
> >
> >  That I can do... :) But XFCE will use more resources but I guess this is minimal for each launcher....
> 
> Bj?rn, if you're not afraid of building from source, then you can try
> the attached patch. It should solve the issue with the quicklauncher.
> The fixes for the other plugins should be getting into svn soon.
> 

Oki, will try the patch... Thx... :)

BTJ

From btj at havleik.no  Thu May  8 23:13:47 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:13:47 +0200
Subject: Application opening at the wrong screen?
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250805072213q446367cfjd7210c2eab0c67ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080504183537.3c630458@pennywise2.havleik.no>
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On Wed, 7 May 2008 23:13:51 -0600
"David Mohr" <damailings at mcbf.net> wrote:

> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> > On Sun, 04 May 2008 22:53:29 +0200
> >
> > Stefan Stuhr <xfceuserslist at sstuhr.dk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > s?n, 04 05 2008 kl. 22:04 +0200, skrev Bj?rn T Johansen:
> >  > > Is it possible then to make launcher behave like quicklauncher, with all the applications in one single line
> >  > > in my panel
> >
> > > > or does launcher only work with one icon on the panel and the rest in the "drop down menu"? (I don't like to
> > > > click one
> >  > > extra time if I don't have to... :) )
> >  >
> >  > Add one launcher plugin instance per icon, and don't use the submenu
> >  > feature for things you want really easy access to.
> >
> >  That I can do... :) But XFCE will use more resources but I guess this is minimal for each launcher....
> 
> Bj?rn, if you're not afraid of building from source, then you can try
> the attached patch. It should solve the issue with the quicklauncher.
> The fixes for the other plugins should be getting into svn soon.
> 
> ~David

The patch worked like a charm... Thx... :)

BTJ

From btj at havleik.no  Thu May  8 23:32:26 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn?= T Johansen)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:32:26 +0200
Subject: VMware Server Console and the mouse?
Message-ID: <20080508233226.161c4860@pennywise.havleik.no>

There is a strange thing happening with the mouse when using the vmware console connected to a windows guest.
When I try to move the mouse outside the vmware window (the part where Windows resides),
the mouse jumps to the upper left corner of the screen instead of just moving outside the Windows window... Is this a
known problem with xfce or?


Regards,

BTJ	

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bj?rn T Johansen

btj at havleik.no
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone wrote:
"I understand that if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear strange Satanic messages"
To which someone replied:
"It's even worse than that; play it forwards and it installs Windows"
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com  Fri May  9 04:03:07 2008
From: pariksheet.nanda at gmail.com (Pariksheet Nanda)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:03:07 -0400
Subject: Soubd problems solved with ... kmix!
In-Reply-To: <446c7e870805072200t43571713j1aeb8236454725d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446c7e870805051228v4fbc4cddp3bab7bd38b575324@mail.gmail.com>
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> Once I "fixed the problem" with KMix, I had no need to run it again and
> xfce4-mixer is not showing anything different than the last setup I did
> ----
>
> What should I do in order to "read" the setup dpne with xfce4-mixer?

kmix and xfce4-mixer are graphical front ends for alsa / oss mixer settings.

In your first email of this thread you explained that you were unable
to use your microphone via xfce4-mixer.  I assume that your mic was
unusable because it was either muted or disabled...and kmix was able
to to rectify the situation.  It could have done this by
1)  Unmuting your microphone and/or raising the volume by making some
changes to your alsa / oss mixer settings
2)  Making changes to the alsa / oss configuration of your sound card

Both these situations are what Alexander summarized in his reply.

I was assuming it would likely be (1), and the way to test for that
would be to mute / reduce the volume of your microphone and see if you
can undo the change using xfce4-mixer (to verify if kmix has that
something extra which made your sound work in 5 minutes ^_~)

Hope that helps makes sense of things.

For my sound card, actually, I was unable to use the microphone
because I never knew of the `alsamixer -V a' command which shows all
the mixer sliders including the microphone volume.  I then had to
press the :space: key under the "Mic" slider and then raise its volume
as well as that of "Mic Boost".
By default `alsamixer' does not show the mic controls for me.  Until I
had enabled the mic, the mic mixers"mic" and "mic boost" never showed
up in xfce4-mixer IIRC.

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri May  9 06:23:58 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 21:23:58 -0700
Subject: VMware Server Console and the mouse?
In-Reply-To: <20080508233226.161c4860@pennywise.havleik.no>
References: <20080508233226.161c4860@pennywise.havleik.no>
Message-ID: <20080508212358.10dc0098@kepler>

On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:32:26 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:

> There is a strange thing happening with the mouse when using the
> vmware console connected to a windows guest. When I try to move the
> mouse outside the vmware window (the part where Windows resides), the
> mouse jumps to the upper left corner of the screen instead of just
> moving outside the Windows window... Is this a known problem with
> xfce or?

Hard to tell, seeing as VMWare is closed-source, but I'd bet on a
problem with VMWare.

	-brian

From btj at havleik.no  Fri May  9 08:11:03 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= T Johansen)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:11:03 +0200
Subject: VMware Server Console and the mouse?
In-Reply-To: <20080508212358.10dc0098@kepler>
References: <20080508233226.161c4860@pennywise.havleik.no>
	<20080508212358.10dc0098@kepler>
Message-ID: <20080509081103.93cee3cc.btj@havleik.no>

On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:23:58 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:32:26 +0200 Bj?rn T Johansen wrote:
> 
> > There is a strange thing happening with the mouse when using the
> > vmware console connected to a windows guest. When I try to move the
> > mouse outside the vmware window (the part where Windows resides), the
> > mouse jumps to the upper left corner of the screen instead of just
> > moving outside the Windows window... Is this a known problem with
> > xfce or?
> 
> Hard to tell, seeing as VMWare is closed-source, but I'd bet on a
> problem with VMWare.
> 

But I never had this problem when using Gnome..?

BTJ

From frobert at balabit.hu  Fri May  9 10:38:30 2008
From: frobert at balabit.hu (Fekete Robert)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:38:30 +0200
Subject: Cloning panels
Message-ID: <48240D86.9080902@balabit.hu>

Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to clone panels in xfce.
I have a dual-monitor setup, and I have separate panels on both screens. But now 
if I change anything (e.g., add a new launcher), I have to manually repeat this 
change on the other panel.

Is there a way to make a single panel to appear on both screens?

Regards,

Robert

From btj at havleik.no  Fri May  9 12:09:46 2008
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= T Johansen)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:09:46 +0200
Subject: When rebooting, the x-server is restarted first?
Message-ID: <20080509120946.65104105.btj@havleik.no>

When I reboot my pc from xfce, then the x-server is restarted while the shutdown progress..
Can I stop x-server from restarting when I reboot?


Regards,

BTJ

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bj?rn T Johansen

btj at havleik.no
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone wrote:
"I understand that if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear strange Satanic messages"
To which someone replied:
"It's even worse than that; play it forwards and it installs Windows"
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From alexander.toresson at gmail.com  Fri May  9 12:16:33 2008
From: alexander.toresson at gmail.com (Alexander Toresson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:16:33 +0200
Subject: When rebooting, the x-server is restarted first?
In-Reply-To: <20080509120946.65104105.btj@havleik.no>
References: <20080509120946.65104105.btj@havleik.no>
Message-ID: <b33ba6660805090316t7903f57al63e393b40b8f2477@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Bj?rn T Johansen <btj at havleik.no> wrote:
> When I reboot my pc from xfce, then the x-server is restarted while the shutdown progress..
> Can I stop x-server from restarting when I reboot?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> BTJ
>

I have seen this. It was caused by the X server crashing; sending me
back to GDM. This in turn was probably caused by the proprietary
nvidia driver that I use.

// Alexander

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Fri May  9 12:37:06 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:06 +0200
Subject: When rebooting, the x-server is restarted first?
In-Reply-To: <b33ba6660805090316t7903f57al63e393b40b8f2477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080509120946.65104105.btj@havleik.no>
	<b33ba6660805090316t7903f57al63e