From christian at twotoasts.de  Sat Mar  1 04:30:02 2008
From: christian at twotoasts.de (Christian Dywan)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:30:02 +0100
Subject: /Panel Manager / items / Launcher & /Panel Manager / items /
	IconBox& Panel Manager/Customize
In-Reply-To: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
References: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kb" <skimat at gmail.com>
To: <xfce4-dev at xfce.org>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:08 PM
Subject: /Panel Manager / items / Launcher & /Panel Manager / items / 
IconBox& Panel Manager/Customize


> _/Panel Manager / items / Launcher_
> In a Program Launcher Make it easy to add items :
>
> -query Appfinder to add an apllication
> -qwerty Filemanager to choose a file or a folder
> - query the "Add items to panel" to add screenshots-notes or others OR
> Drag &Drop from another panel (implying further possibility to have
> multiple drawers like "Program Launcher" icons (that could also be
> changed by drag&drop in the preferences)
> _
> /Panel Manager / items / IconBox
> _For ease of navigation-walking infront-openning windows :
>
> -add a configuralble hotkey to move the "mouse-keyboard" focus to the
> iconbox panel > Left-Right Keys move the upcomming app to front Up&Down
> Reduce Or Magnify size : *i.e. alt-tab is the hotkey , once pressed >
> Left brings the left window to top , double it or tripple > move to that
> window > space or any key to remove focus from the iconbox(could also be
> used into "Task List3*
> -add a tick into the prefereces to rearrange windows to see them all on
> the screen (like Frontrow for the one who knows but being able to keep
> this windows visualisation), Other Visualisation of multiple windows
> presets such as pile of windows or fill the screen with all windows
> exists ( could be implemented to this icon too) but i dislike them for
> their lack of flexibility and ease of view :
> 1-clicking the front row-like or hiiting a hotkey, mixes all the windows
> resizes them & leaves a space(background) in between each of them.
> 2 - the focus could swich back to one window OR  clicking on a window
> thicks it  > thick another one > hit any key or click the
> ("reelevation"OR"facade") button again >  the ticked windows  are
> rearranged on the screeen without overlapping them selves & with some
> space in between: *i.e. click the button >tick a file manager window,
> tick a second > click the button > two windows are on the scree one left
> one right OR one up-ddown *(this could even make moving a window 
> obsolete)_
>
>
> /Panel Manager/Customize_
> select transparency - colors of panels (each-all) - colors of
> interactions (selected - minimized - reduced )
>
>
> Hope you enjoyed reading this first contributions of mine.

Hm... the list reads interesting. Was this implemented somewhere or is this 
a wishlist?

Regards,
    Christian 


From ori at eigenstate.org  Sat Mar  1 05:14:11 2008
From: ori at eigenstate.org (Ori Bernstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:14:11 -0500
Subject: /Panel Manager / items / Launcher & /Panel Manager / items /
	IconBox & Panel Manager/Customize
In-Reply-To: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
References: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:08:29 +0100, kb <skimat at gmail.com> said:

> Hope you enjoyed reading this first contributions of mine.

Where are the patches?

From fourdan at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 12:13:43 2008
From: fourdan at gmail.com (Olivier Fourdan)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:13:43 +0000
Subject: openGL in xfwm4
In-Reply-To: <bf61a1ea0802280818r1a8b3c35k3fc0687748f46d2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47C3BA0E.4060102@cornell.edu> <20080227093253.38E787C50@mx3.su.se>
	<47C5A88E.1070605@cornell.edu>
	<bf61a1ea0802280818r1a8b3c35k3fc0687748f46d2d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Henk Boom <lunarc.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27/02/2008, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
>  One reason it feels faster in compiz is that it keeps all of the
>  window pixmaps in memory so that the program doesn't have to redraw
>  when it is exposed. This eliminates the fraction of a second when you
>  uncover a bit of window that garbage is displayed. I suspect this
>  doesn't even rely on OpenGL, it just takes gobs of memory.

Yes, like any compositor, it has to use unredirection - So does xfwm4
with the compositor enabled, it has nothing to do with OpenGL.

Cheers,
Olivier.

From jasper at xfce.org  Sat Mar  1 14:52:41 2008
From: jasper at xfce.org (Jasper Huijsmans)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:52:41 +0100
Subject: /Panel Manager / items / Launcher & /Panel Manager / items /
	IconBox & Panel Manager/Customize
In-Reply-To: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
References: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9168d7f0803010552h5734628dq367daca7cf5eabd4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello kb,


2008/2/29, kb <skimat at gmail.com>:
...
>
>  Hope you enjoyed reading this first contributions of mine.

You?ve just made a fairly nice summary of everything that has ever
been requested for the Xfce panel ;-)  Still missing is the request to
keep it lightweight...

Unfortunately, our problem has never been a lack of ideas.  And it is
not even a lack of patches.

Maintaining something like the Xfce panel, requires some sort of
vision for what would fit with the rest of the environment, what to
implement and, more importantly, what not.  And the patience to do a
lot of boring bugfix work.

It doesn?t help much to have grand ideas if you can spend on average 5
minutes every month on coding.

Don?t let this discourage you from discussing how your perfect
environment would look like, but don?t expect people to start coding
on your ideas immediately, either.

-- 
        Jasper

From fourdan at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 20:21:39 2008
From: fourdan at gmail.com (Olivier Fourdan)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:21:39 +0000
Subject: openGL in xfwm4
In-Reply-To: <1204098766.8649.4.camel@hidalgo>
References: <47C3BA0E.4060102@cornell.edu>
	<20080226112832.GA25298@molly.corsac.net>
	<E1JTysX-00068Q-Sg@zonbu.sait.intra>
	<aa1adf3b0802260624x4de403ffta2ac56a9461c5c6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080226161943.9d278b2e.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
	<20080226165744.GI4530@molly.corsac.net>
	<47C45B55.6060608@foo-projects.org>
	<60f2b0dc0802261057w342d33c7of76550cfdfe89102@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204098766.8649.4.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <60f2b0dc0803011121l769c85b4t4a790a8a93fffcaa@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac at debian.org> wrote:
[...]
>  I really see openGL in xfwm as a "bonus", not a complete rewrite :)

In that case, the best would be to make xfwm4 modular:

 - Keep the compositor API and puit the code in a plugin
 - Do the same with the frame rendering (not related nor mandatory,
but cool if we make xfwm4 modular)
 - Let others write the GL parts :)

This is something I had in mind for a while...

Cheers,
Olivier.

From nickschermer at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 21:01:44 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:01:44 +0100
Subject: /Panel Manager / items / Launcher & /Panel Manager / items /
	IconBox & Panel Manager/Customize
In-Reply-To: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
References: <47C8663D.2020009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4abe35490803011201m1707a7edgf16eac2f2a3c0959@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/29, kb <skimat at gmail.com>:
>  Hope you enjoyed reading this first contributions of mine.

Please search the bugzilla (buzilla.xfce.org) to find similar ideas /
feature requests and comment on those with your ideas. Or create new
bugs if they don't exists yet.

Then the ideas are on the correct place, right now on the ml they are
doomed to get lost.

Nick

From peter at xfce.org  Sun Mar  2 13:47:15 2008
From: peter at xfce.org (Peter de Ridder)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:47:15 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
Message-ID: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm thinking to create patch for thunar/libexo detailed view, concerning the
rubber band selection and drag-n-drop.
As you might know it the detailed view inconsistent with the other views in
thunar.
This is because the detailed/tree view doesn't have a background (between
items, it does at the far bottom).
With the patch i want to create such a background space on the item rows, so
you can start rubber band selection there and drag-n-drop on the other parts
of the row.

I have thought of some ways to do it, but i would like discuss it, as, with
gui no solution is a perfect solution.

Different ideas:
1. Specify a column as drag column, the other columns are used for rubber
band
2. The part of a column that has the actual text rendered  is the drag part
of the row the empty parts is for rubber banding
3. Combination of both 1 and 2, only the rendered part of the drag column is
for dragging
4. Leave it as it is and don't bother ;)

Pros / Cons:
1. If only one column is shown or all columns which are shown are used for
dragging, we need to fall back to the current behavior or rubber banding
isn't possible, this gives inconsistency.
2. With text of different lengths and not filling the column it is easy to
click at the wrong location.
3. Combination of 1 and 2.
4. Lack of improvement.

Considerations:
- There doesn't have to be a choice made between 1 and 2 (the combi will
make 3) since this could be mode fields.
- This problem doesn't only count for rubber banding and drag and drop, it
also counts for context menu of the parent folder. Should this have the same
behavior?
- If a row is selected should the complete row become drag-n-drop, or just
as specified by 1, 2 or 3 so rubber banding can be start on a selected row.

Greeting,
Peter
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From zelenp at gmail.com  Sun Mar  2 14:42:39 2008
From: zelenp at gmail.com (Petr Zelenka)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:42:39 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Peter de Ridder <peter at xfce.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm thinking to create patch for thunar/libexo detailed view, concerning the
> rubber band selection and drag-n-drop.
> As you might know it the detailed view inconsistent with the other views in
> thunar.
> This is because the detailed/tree view doesn't have a background (between
> items, it does at the far bottom).
>  With the patch i want to create such a background space on the item rows,
> so you can start rubber band selection there and drag-n-drop on the other
> parts of the row.
>
> I have thought of some ways to do it, but i would like discuss it, as, with
> gui no solution is a perfect solution.
>
> Different ideas:
> 1. Specify a column as drag column, the other columns are used for rubber
> band
> 2. The part of a column that has the actual text rendered  is the drag part
> of the row the empty parts is for rubber banding
>  3. Combination of both 1 and 2, only the rendered part of the drag column
> is for dragging
> 4. Leave it as it is and don't bother ;)
>
> Pros / Cons:
> 1. If only one column is shown or all columns which are shown are used for
> dragging, we need to fall back to the current behavior or rubber banding
> isn't possible, this gives inconsistency.
> 2. With text of different lengths and not filling the column it is easy to
> click at the wrong location.
>  3. Combination of 1 and 2.
> 4. Lack of improvement.
>
> Considerations:
> - There doesn't have to be a choice made between 1 and 2 (the combi will
> make 3) since this could be mode fields.
> - This problem doesn't only count for rubber banding and drag and drop, it
> also counts for context menu of the parent folder. Should this have the same
> behavior?
>  - If a row is selected should the complete row become drag-n-drop, or just
> as specified by 1, 2 or 3 so rubber banding can be start on a selected row.
>
> Greeting,
> Peter
>

Hi Peter,

Here is one point of view from the user perspective.

Having a detailed view, I do not see much reason in having "rubber
band selection" at all. In fact, situations when I click and drag in
detailed view and the rubber band selection starts (Thunar 0.8.0 here)
are driving me nuts. Instead I have to select the item first and than
click and drag again. Rubber banding makes IMHO sense in those cases,
where items are spread across and I want to "build a fence" around
them. Detailed view, as I see it, is not that case.

What behavior I would like to have? No rubber banding in detailed
view, drag and drop works immediately (click and drag, not click,
click and drag), multiple selection using shift and/or ctrl.

But as I have already written, it is just one user's view.

Nice Sunday,
Petr

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Sun Mar  2 18:15:05 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:15:05 +0100
Subject: Hacking themes [WAS Re: xfce svn repo cleanup]
In-Reply-To: <47C5A07A.9090001@cornell.edu>
References: <47C4C4CC.7020508@cornell.edu> <20080227083329.GD11264@failure.del>
	<47C5A07A.9090001@cornell.edu>
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:40:10AM -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> Mike Massonnet wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:02:52PM -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> 
> >> xfce4-themes -> xfce-obsolete
> > 
> > Hemhem, maybe we want to tag themes and create branches for Xfce
> > 4.2/4.4, even if theming is a hard work.  So move all the current themes
> > inside trunk to tags/4.2, and put new themes (possibly out of
> > xfwm4/trunk/themes) in?
> 
> Those themes aren't the themes you're thinking of -- xfce4-themes are 
> old pre-icon-theme-spec private Xfce icon themes that the panel used to 
> use, and they're obsolete now.

Yeah my mistake, I did thought about xfwm4-themes.  And xfce4-themes is
indeed -archive.

> Otherwise we just have gtk-xfce-engine-2, which I think should remain in 
> the main repo, and xfwm4-themes, which doesn't really need its own repo. 
>   If you're suggesting breaking each theme into its own module, I think 
> that's too much work (for Olivier, mainly) without really any gain.

What I had in mind was to clear the themes, the ones from gtk and xfwm4.
Fortunatly they already are tagged/branched.

For gtk-xfce-engine-2, many gtk themes start getting old-looking, so how
about accepting hacked up gtkrc files from the current ones and new
ones?

For xfwm4-themes, how about clearing trunk (they are already tagged and
branched), and move the themes from xfwm4/trunk/themes there?  but keep
an svn link (I don't know the correct property name) for the default
theme, as to provide the xfwm4 source with at least one theme.  I know
that topic popup up monthes ago, so it might sound refreshing.

Olivier, any hints?

mike

From ori at eigenstate.org  Sun Mar  2 19:54:09 2008
From: ori at eigenstate.org (Ori Bernstein)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:54:09 -0500
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080302135409.5e38181e.ori@eigenstate.org>

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:47:15 +0100, "Peter de Ridder" <peter at xfce.org> said:

You forgot one idea =)

> Different ideas:
> 1. Specify a column as drag column, the other columns are used for rubber
> band
> 2. The part of a column that has the actual text rendered  is the drag part
>    of the row the empty parts is for rubber banding
> 3. Combination of both 1 and 2, only the rendered part of the drag column is
>    for dragging
> 4. Leave it as it is and don't bother ;)
5. Remove rubber band selection entirely, and use shift-click and
   ctrl-click like any other tree view

> Pros / Cons:
> 1. If only one column is shown or all columns which are shown are used for
>    dragging, we need to fall back to the current behavior or rubber banding
>    isn't possible, this gives inconsistency.
> 2. With text of different lengths and not filling the column it is easy to
>    click at the wrong location.
> 3. Combination of 1 and 2.
> 4. Lack of improvement.
5. Pro: - Consistent with other tree views
        - Easy to implement
        - Simple, predictable behavior
   Con: - No easy mouse-only way to select multiple files

Personally, I lean towards either 4 or 5 myself.

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Sun Mar  2 20:31:03 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:31:03 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <20080302135409.5e38181e.ori@eigenstate.org>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 01:54:09PM -0500, Ori Bernstein wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:47:15 +0100, "Peter de Ridder" <peter at xfce.org> said:
> 
> You forgot one idea =)
> 
> > Different ideas:
> > 1. Specify a column as drag column, the other columns are used for rubber
> > band
> > 2. The part of a column that has the actual text rendered  is the drag part
> >    of the row the empty parts is for rubber banding
> > 3. Combination of both 1 and 2, only the rendered part of the drag column is
> >    for dragging
> > 4. Leave it as it is and don't bother ;)
> 5. Remove rubber band selection entirely, and use shift-click and
>    ctrl-click like any other tree view

"Remove rubber band", that's... not a solution and most probably a lack
for a file manager (forget about the consistent for tree views).

mike

From peter at xfce.org  Sun Mar  2 23:56:47 2008
From: peter at xfce.org (Peter de Ridder)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:56:47 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <20080302193103.GC11903@failure.del>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080302135409.5e38181e.ori@eigenstate.org>
	<20080302193103.GC11903@failure.del>
Message-ID: <d7c3a3890803021456s9002ee6q7e674faa940ba908@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Mike Massonnet <mmassonnet at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 01:54:09PM -0500, Ori Bernstein wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:47:15 +0100, "Peter de Ridder" <peter at xfce.org>
> said:
> >
> > You forgot one idea =)
> >
> > > Different ideas:
> > > 1. Specify a column as drag column, the other columns are used for
> rubber
> > > band
> > > 2. The part of a column that has the actual text rendered  is the drag
> part
> > >    of the row the empty parts is for rubber banding
> > > 3. Combination of both 1 and 2, only the rendered part of the drag
> column is
> > >    for dragging
> > > 4. Leave it as it is and don't bother ;)
> > 5. Remove rubber band selection entirely, and use shift-click and
> >    ctrl-click like any other tree view
>
> "Remove rubber band", that's... not a solution and most probably a lack
> for a file manager (forget about the consistent for tree views).
>

I stated this thread to talk about making the different views in thunar
consistent, consistency with other tree views is not bad either, but this
would give any need for me to patch thunar/libexo since removing the lines
which set gtk_tree_view_set_rubber_banding, so for my point of view 4 and 5
are actualy the same.

What is forgot to mention is that the context menu of then parent folder
isn't accessible trough right click since there is no background to click
on. This is also a part which can be fixed with either solution 1, 2 or 3.
The actual reason I'm interested in making this patch is for the context
menu, but since the solution can be used for both dragging and context menu,
I put it under dragging cause that is inconsistent with the other views.

I see much responses about disabling rubber banding entirely, maybe it is
worth an enhancement request to disable it, but that doesn't make a
difference to how rubber banding response is implemented. And disabling
rubber banding wouldn't solve the context menu issue.

So I'll add another consideration:
- Should the parent folder context menu be shown at right click at locations
as specified by 1, 2 or 3?

I also added a patch so you can try suggestion 1, however the drag column is
hard coded to column 0 which in most cases will be the name column.

Greeting,
Peter
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From christian at twotoasts.de  Mon Mar  3 00:29:15 2008
From: christian at twotoasts.de (Christian Dywan)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 00:29:15 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <20080302135409.5e38181e.ori@eigenstate.org>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20080303002915.08f91e57@Tiger.localdomain>

Am Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:54:09 -0500
schrieb Ori Bernstein <ori at eigenstate.org>:

> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:47:15 +0100, "Peter de Ridder" <peter at xfce.org>
> said:
> 
> You forgot one idea =)
> 
> > Different ideas:
> > 1. Specify a column as drag column, the other columns are used for
> > rubber band
> > 2. The part of a column that has the actual text rendered  is the
> > drag part of the row the empty parts is for rubber banding
> > 3. Combination of both 1 and 2, only the rendered part of the drag
> > column is for dragging
> > 4. Leave it as it is and don't bother ;)
> 5. Remove rubber band selection entirely, and use shift-click and
>    ctrl-click like any other tree view
> 
> > Pros / Cons:
> > 1. If only one column is shown or all columns which are shown are
> > used for dragging, we need to fall back to the current behavior or
> > rubber banding isn't possible, this gives inconsistency.
> > 2. With text of different lengths and not filling the column it is
> > easy to click at the wrong location.
> > 3. Combination of 1 and 2.
> > 4. Lack of improvement.
> 5. Pro: - Consistent with other tree views
>         - Easy to implement
>         - Simple, predictable behavior
>    Con: - No easy mouse-only way to select multiple files
> 
> Personally, I lean towards either 4 or 5 myself.

While I do think this functionality belongs entirely into gtk+ as
opposed to any application or library, leaving this out would be a very
unpleasant step backwards in my opinion.

I can live with 4 in the worst case, but if you remove it entirely I
will cry badly and you don't want that, do you? ;)

From peter at xfce.org  Mon Mar  3 00:49:37 2008
From: peter at xfce.org (Peter de Ridder)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 00:49:37 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Peter de Ridder <peter at xfce.org> wrote:

>
> So I'll add another consideration:
> - Should the parent folder context menu be shown at right click at
> locations as specified by 1, 2 or 3?
>


I added a patch for thunar to this mail.
This will take care of the newly added consideration concerning the context
menu for parent folders.
This patch will only work if the previous patch to libexo is applied.

Greetings,
Peter
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From stephan at xfce.org  Mon Mar  3 13:57:24 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:57:24 +0100
Subject: google summer of code
In-Reply-To: <47C5B705.6080602@cornell.edu>
References: <47C3BA0E.4060102@cornell.edu> <47C5B705.6080602@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803030457w6793fbafre9a813b28a2b9512@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> I've added a preliminary mentors list here:
>  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors
>
>  Feel free to add your name to the list if interested.  Stephan, Ori, I
>  added you to the 'expressed interest' section instead of 'confirmed' --
>  feel free to move your name if you're pretty sure you can do it.
>
>         -brian

Done.

    -stephan

From stephan at xfce.org  Mon Mar  3 15:16:56 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:16:56 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <20080303002915.08f91e57@Tiger.localdomain>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080302135409.5e38181e.ori@eigenstate.org>
	<20080303002915.08f91e57@Tiger.localdomain>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803030616i67fcc0cey48dc3b60d5971ce6@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Christian Dywan <christian at twotoasts.de> wrote:
> Am Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:54:09 -0500
>  schrieb Ori Bernstein <ori at eigenstate.org>:
>
>
>
>  > On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:47:15 +0100, "Peter de Ridder" <peter at xfce.org>
>  > said:
>  >
>  > You forgot one idea =)
>  >
>  > > Different ideas:
>  > > 1. Specify a column as drag column, the other columns are used for
>  > > rubber band
>  > > 2. The part of a column that has the actual text rendered  is the
>  > > drag part of the row the empty parts is for rubber banding
>  > > 3. Combination of both 1 and 2, only the rendered part of the drag
>  > > column is for dragging
>  > > 4. Leave it as it is and don't bother ;)
>  > 5. Remove rubber band selection entirely, and use shift-click and
>  >    ctrl-click like any other tree view
>  >
>  > > Pros / Cons:
>  > > 1. If only one column is shown or all columns which are shown are
>  > > used for dragging, we need to fall back to the current behavior or
>  > > rubber banding isn't possible, this gives inconsistency.
>  > > 2. With text of different lengths and not filling the column it is
>  > > easy to click at the wrong location.
>  > > 3. Combination of 1 and 2.
>  > > 4. Lack of improvement.
>  > 5. Pro: - Consistent with other tree views
>  >         - Easy to implement
>  >         - Simple, predictable behavior
>  >    Con: - No easy mouse-only way to select multiple files
>  >
>  > Personally, I lean towards either 4 or 5 myself.
>
>  While I do think this functionality belongs entirely into gtk+ as
>  opposed to any application or library, leaving this out would be a very
>  unpleasant step backwards in my opinion.
>
>  I can live with 4 in the worst case, but if you remove it entirely I
>  will cry badly and you don't want that, do you? ;)

Well, concidering the fact you live in Germany... I doubt he'll hear
you loud enough to be bothered by that ^_~.

-
Stephan

From rain.viigipuu at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 16:19:04 2008
From: rain.viigipuu at gmail.com (Rain Viigipuu)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:19:04 +0200
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <d7c3a3890803021456s9002ee6q7e674faa940ba908@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080302135409.5e38181e.ori@eigenstate.org>
	<20080302193103.GC11903@failure.del>
	<d7c3a3890803021456s9002ee6q7e674faa940ba908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4de3dd230803030719j1ad079c4mbabe86bde88c1052@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

> So I'll add another consideration:
> - Should the parent folder context menu be shown at right click at locations
> as specified by 1, 2 or 3?

I think it should. I can deal with this a bit weird behavior of rubber
band selection and drag-drop files (have to click the file to select
it, and then click again to drag it). But its far more frequent
situation, where I want to create a new folder via context menu or
paste something, and I don't have a place to make the right click to
make it happen.

It sounds a bit more convenient, that the filename + icon can be used
for dragging and other line can be used for rubber banding - calling
context menu or something like that.

Just my opinion about the matter
Rain

From ori at eigenstate.org  Mon Mar  3 19:50:09 2008
From: ori at eigenstate.org (Ori Bernstein)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:50:09 -0500
Subject: google summer of code
In-Reply-To: <47C5B705.6080602@cornell.edu>
References: <47C3BA0E.4060102@cornell.edu>
	<47C5B705.6080602@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20080303135009.0c99bcd4.ori@eigenstate.org>

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:16:21 -0800
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> I've added a preliminary mentors list here:
> http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors

Alright, moved myself; I should be good to mentor this summer

-- 
    Ori Bernstein

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Mar  3 20:02:04 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:02:04 -0800
Subject: google summer of code application
Message-ID: <47CC4B2C.5060503@cornell.edu>

Hi all,

Up front, relevant links are:
http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas
http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors

The mentoring organisation application period starts tomorrow (3 Mar) 
and runs until 12 Mar (noon US Pacific time).  That's not a lot of time. 
  Fortunately we don't need any kind of "final" projects list; Google 
just wants to see that we have a bunch of project ideas and have given 
this some thought (student applicants submit project proposals, anyway).

So, really the only thing needed right now is to finalise the mentors 
list.  I see we have 6 confirmed right now, with one 'maybe'.  I think 
that's decent, though maybe a little on the small side.  If anyone else 
who has sufficient Xfce dev experience would like to jump in, feel free.

Otherwise, all I need is someone to volunteer to be the backup mentor 
administrator.  These are the responsibilities of the admin:
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_org_admin_role
The backup admin would need to be able to step in and take over that 
stuff in the event I disappear.  I am planning on a 1.5-week vacation in 
June or July (not sure if I'll have internet access), so I'd probably 
need someone to fill in for me then.  Otherwise you shouldn't have to do 
anything.  So... any takers?

	-brian

From jannis at xfce.org  Mon Mar  3 22:42:38 2008
From: jannis at xfce.org (Jannis Pohlmann)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:42:38 +0100
Subject: google summer of code application
In-Reply-To: <47CC4B2C.5060503@cornell.edu>
References: <47CC4B2C.5060503@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20080303224238.02049fea@84.200.240.9>

Am Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:02:04 -0800
schrieb "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu>:

> Hi all,
> 
> Up front, relevant links are:
> http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas
> http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors
> 
> The mentoring organisation application period starts tomorrow (3 Mar) 
> and runs until 12 Mar (noon US Pacific time).  That's not a lot of
> time. Fortunately we don't need any kind of "final" projects list;
> Google just wants to see that we have a bunch of project ideas and
> have given this some thought (student applicants submit project
> proposals, anyway).
> 
> So, really the only thing needed right now is to finalise the mentors 
> list.  I see we have 6 confirmed right now, with one 'maybe'.  I
> think that's decent, though maybe a little on the small side.  If
> anyone else who has sufficient Xfce dev experience would like to jump
> in, feel free.
> 
> Otherwise, all I need is someone to volunteer to be the backup mentor 
> administrator.  These are the responsibilities of the admin:
> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_org_admin_role
> The backup admin would need to be able to step in and take over that 
> stuff in the event I disappear.  I am planning on a 1.5-week vacation
> in June or July (not sure if I'll have internet access), so I'd
> probably need someone to fill in for me then.  Otherwise you
> shouldn't have to do anything.  So... any takers?

 o/

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From peter at xfce.org  Tue Mar  4 00:27:25 2008
From: peter at xfce.org (Peter de Ridder)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:27:25 +0100
Subject: Thunar / libexo: detailed view
In-Reply-To: <4de3dd230803030719j1ad079c4mbabe86bde88c1052@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d7c3a3890803020447t108a07edl5940176049eef15f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080302135409.5e38181e.ori@eigenstate.org>
	<20080302193103.GC11903@failure.del>
	<d7c3a3890803021456s9002ee6q7e674faa940ba908@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Christian Dywan <christian at twotoasts.de>
wrote:
>
>  While I do think this functionality belongs entirely into gtk+ as
>  opposed to any application or library, leaving this out would be a very
>  unpleasant step backwards in my opinion.

The rubber banding part should indeed be fixed in gtk+, but as it isn't done
right in gtk+ and it is already "re-done" in libexo, why not tune it a bit.
But the whole context menu is application specific, since gtk+ tree view
doesn't provide any (of course).

Greeting,
Peter
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Mar  4 09:58:24 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:58:24 -0800
Subject: xfce svn repo cleanup
In-Reply-To: <47C4C4CC.7020508@cornell.edu>
References: <47C4C4CC.7020508@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20080304005824.3254fafb@kepler>

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:02:52 -0800 Brian J. Tarricone wrote:

> I'd like to clean up the main Xfce SVN repository so it only contains 
> current modules that we consider in the core distribution.

Ok, obviously I didn't get to this over the weekend as I planned (like
so many other things...).  I just moved the following to a new
xfce-archive repo:

xfce4-iconbox
xfce4-systray
xfce4-themes
xfce4-toys
xffm
xffm-icons

Yes, I did a svn dump/filter and import, so all the history is
maintained.  The new repo is here:
http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce-archive/

It's effectively read-only at this point, which I think is how it
should be.  If at some point anyone wants to resurrect one of these
modules (though there's really no reason to), they should be moved
elsewhere.  Feel free to object if you think there's a compelling
reason to have it read/write.

I'll work on some of the other modules I want to move later this week...

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Mar  4 20:45:47 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:45:47 -0800
Subject: gsoc mentor contact info
Message-ID: <47CDA6EB.4070509@cornell.edu>

GSoC Mentors:

I need your Google Account usernames.  If you don't have a Google 
Account, please create one and email me.

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Mar  4 23:03:04 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:03:04 -0800
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
Message-ID: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>

Hi all,

As some of you already know, I'm in the process of applying to Google's 
Summer of Code as a mentoring organisation.  Xfce applied in 2006, but 
wasn't accepted.  I don't really know why, but hopefully this year we 
can do a bit better.  To that end, I've created a few pages on our wiki, 
and people have been working on them for the past couple weeks:

http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas
http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors
http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-students

Now, we won't know if we've been accepted into the program until March 
17th.  However, I'd like to generate some interest for our participation 
in the program; in particular, I'd like to get some names on that 
'students' wiki page.

So, if you don't mind, if you have a blog, or some other means of 
publishing to a group of people (via means other than spam, of course), 
could you please do a little advertising for us?  Just point out that 
we're applying to the program, we're looking for student participants, 
and give a link to our wiki page (the main 'ideas' page).

Thanks!

	-brian

From erikharrison at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 05:19:45 2008
From: erikharrison at gmail.com (Erik Harrison)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:19:45 -0500
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <5b18a5420803042019g86952dav3f1457e9b5c5e50a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>  As some of you already know, I'm in the process of applying to Google's
>  Summer of Code as a mentoring organisation.  Xfce applied in 2006, but
>  wasn't accepted.  I don't really know why, but hopefully this year we
>  can do a bit better.  To that end, I've created a few pages on our wiki,
>  and people have been working on them for the past couple weeks:
>
>  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas
>  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors
>  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-students
>
>  Now, we won't know if we've been accepted into the program until March
>  17th.  However, I'd like to generate some interest for our participation
>  in the program; in particular, I'd like to get some names on that
>  'students' wiki page.
>
>  So, if you don't mind, if you have a blog, or some other means of
>  publishing to a group of people (via means other than spam, of course),
>  could you please do a little advertising for us?  Just point out that
>  we're applying to the program, we're looking for student participants,
>  and give a link to our wiki page (the main 'ideas' page).
>

I no longer hang out on the Xubuntu mailing lists, but if someone
around here does perhaps this info could be forwarded on? I remember
the early days of the list being full of people asking for
enhancements or changes to the core desktop, I imagine there would be
a lot of interest. Similar for any other substantial distribution that
uses Xfce as the default desktop.

>  Thanks!
>
>         -brian
>  _______________________________________________
>  Xfce4-dev mailing list
>  Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
>  http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
>



-- 
Erik
"Look at me still talking when there is Science to do"

From mmassonnet at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 06:20:20 2008
From: mmassonnet at gmail.com (Mike Massonnet)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:20:20 +0100
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <5b18a5420803042019g86952dav3f1457e9b5c5e50a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
	<5b18a5420803042019g86952dav3f1457e9b5c5e50a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080305052020.GT11903@failure.del>

On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:19:45PM -0500, Erik Harrison wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >  As some of you already know, I'm in the process of applying to Google's
> >  Summer of Code as a mentoring organisation.  Xfce applied in 2006, but
> >  wasn't accepted.  I don't really know why, but hopefully this year we
> >  can do a bit better.  To that end, I've created a few pages on our wiki,
> >  and people have been working on them for the past couple weeks:
> >
> >  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas
> >  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors
> >  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-students
> >
> >  Now, we won't know if we've been accepted into the program until March
> >  17th.  However, I'd like to generate some interest for our participation
> >  in the program; in particular, I'd like to get some names on that
> >  'students' wiki page.
> >
> >  So, if you don't mind, if you have a blog, or some other means of
> >  publishing to a group of people (via means other than spam, of course),
> >  could you please do a little advertising for us?  Just point out that
> >  we're applying to the program, we're looking for student participants,
> >  and give a link to our wiki page (the main 'ideas' page).
> >
> 
> I no longer hang out on the Xubuntu mailing lists, but if someone
> around here does perhaps this info could be forwarded on? I remember
> the early days of the list being full of people asking for
> enhancements or changes to the core desktop, I imagine there would be
> a lot of interest. Similar for any other substantial distribution that
> uses Xfce as the default desktop.

Yeah, and the Ubuntu folk is mainly young, so I bet there can be
students interested.

Cheers
mike

From imnotb at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 09:05:57 2008
From: imnotb at gmail.com (Vincent)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:05:57 +0100
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080305052020.GT11903@failure.del>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
	<5b18a5420803042019g86952dav3f1457e9b5c5e50a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080305052020.GT11903@failure.del>
Message-ID: <749ebd440803050005q34490079w12e9450acde9b483@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/08, Mike Massonnet <mmassonnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:19:45PM -0500, Erik Harrison wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu>
> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > >  As some of you already know, I'm in the process of applying to
> Google's
> > >  Summer of Code as a mentoring organisation.  Xfce applied in 2006,
> but
> > >  wasn't accepted.  I don't really know why, but hopefully this year we
> > >  can do a bit better.  To that end, I've created a few pages on our
> wiki,
> > >  and people have been working on them for the past couple weeks:
> > >
> > >  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas
> > >  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-mentors
> > >  http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-students
> > >
> > >  Now, we won't know if we've been accepted into the program until
> March
> > >  17th.  However, I'd like to generate some interest for our
> participation
> > >  in the program; in particular, I'd like to get some names on that
> > >  'students' wiki page.
> > >
> > >  So, if you don't mind, if you have a blog, or some other means of
> > >  publishing to a group of people (via means other than spam, of
> course),
> > >  could you please do a little advertising for us?  Just point out that
> > >  we're applying to the program, we're looking for student
> participants,
> > >  and give a link to our wiki page (the main 'ideas' page).
> > >
> >
> > I no longer hang out on the Xubuntu mailing lists, but if someone
> > around here does perhaps this info could be forwarded on? I remember
> > the early days of the list being full of people asking for
> > enhancements or changes to the core desktop, I imagine there would be
> > a lot of interest. Similar for any other substantial distribution that
> > uses Xfce as the default desktop.
>
> Yeah, and the Ubuntu folk is mainly young, so I bet there can be
> students interested.


I'll put up a note on xubuntu.wordpress.com and forward this to the
xubuntu-devel (or perhaps -users?) mailinglist this afternoon (Dutch time).

Cheers
> mike



Best,
-- 
Vincent
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From nickschermer at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 09:45:35 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:45:35 +0100
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <4abe35490803050045v84178c3v84e90b2699d92f4d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/3/4, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu>:
> So, if you don't mind, if you have a blog, or some other means of
> publishing to a group of people (via means other than spam, of course),
> could you please do a little advertising for us?  Just point out that
> we're applying to the program, we're looking for student participants,
> and give a link to our wiki page (the main 'ideas' page).

I've put it on the frontpage of the wiki, we can also create a news
item on the website. If nobody else does that, i'll create one this
evening.

Nick

From jeremyheiler at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 22:15:49 2008
From: jeremyheiler at gmail.com (Jeremy Heiler)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:15:49 -0500
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <47CF0D85.7070101@gmail.com>

Hey Brian,

I am a student and I may be interested in participating in the Google 
Summer of Code with you guys (and gals). I've been an active reader of 
this mailing list for a few months (this is my first message) and would 
love to learn more about Xfce. (I use it on a daily basis.)

My only concern is that my background is largely in Java and I've done 
absolutely no work in C or C++. Would that be an issue? Either way I 
would have plenty of time to crack open a book and figure out the 
differences on my own.


	- Jeremy

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Wed Mar  5 23:32:38 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:32:38 -0800
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <47CF0D85.7070101@gmail.com>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu> <47CF0D85.7070101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CF1F86.7080206@cornell.edu>

Jeremy Heiler wrote:
> Hey Brian,
> 
> I am a student and I may be interested in participating in the Google 
> Summer of Code with you guys (and gals). I've been an active reader of 
> this mailing list for a few months (this is my first message) and would 
> love to learn more about Xfce. (I use it on a daily basis.)
> 
> My only concern is that my background is largely in Java and I've done 
> absolutely no work in C or C++. Would that be an issue? Either way I 
> would have plenty of time to crack open a book and figure out the 
> differences on my own.

I'm not sure -- everyone learns new languages differently -- but my 
guess is that yes, it would be an issue.  However, we as the mentoring 
org don't make the final decision as to what projects and which students 
to accept, so if you're able to demonstrate in your application that you 
can complete a project despite this, then I imagine it would be ok. 
Also depends on what mentor you end up with.

Really, it's up to you if you want to try.  There's still time before 
the student application period, and even more time before coding starts, 
so there's no time like the present to start familiarising yourself with C.

	-brian

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Thu Mar  6 01:42:25 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:42:25 -0800
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <47CF1F86.7080206@cornell.edu>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu> <47CF0D85.7070101@gmail.com>
	<47CF1F86.7080206@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <47CF3DF1.3050607@cornell.edu>

Brian J. Tarricone wrote:

> However, we as the mentoring 
> org don't make the final decision as to what projects and which students 
> to accept, so if you're able to demonstrate in your application that you 
> can complete a project despite this, then I imagine it would be ok.

No, I'm being stupid.  Apparently the mentoring org ranks the proposals 
after the app deadline.  Not sure if Google is involved at all aside 
from collecting the proposals and giving them to us.

Anyway, the rest of my opinion still stands: if you think you can do it, 
convince us in your proposal.  And you have until April 1 when we start 
looking at the proposals...

	-brian


From ori at eigenstate.org  Thu Mar  6 04:02:05 2008
From: ori at eigenstate.org (Ori Bernstein)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:02:05 -0500
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <47CF0D85.7070101@gmail.com>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu>
	<47CF0D85.7070101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080305220205.46a42613.ori@eigenstate.org>

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:15:49 -0500, Jeremy Heiler <jeremyheiler at gmail.com> said:

> Hey Brian,
> 
> I am a student and I may be interested in participating in the Google 
> Summer of Code with you guys (and gals). I've been an active reader of 
> this mailing list for a few months (this is my first message) and would 
> love to learn more about Xfce. (I use it on a daily basis.)

Awesome, it'd be great to hear your proposals, and have you apply.

> My only concern is that my background is largely in Java and I've done 
> absolutely no work in C or C++. Would that be an issue?

It's definitely a handicap, but don't let it stop you from applying.
It's not too hard to pick up C if you know Java -- the syntax and
concepts are quite similar; the major issue would be understanding
pointers in C, I think.

> Either way I would have plenty of time to crack open a book and figure
> out the differences on my own.

Indeed. I'd expect you shouldn't have too much trouble learning C. I
suggest you look up the book "The C Programming Language", by Kernighan
and Richie. It assumes you have at least basic programming knowledge,
but I find that it covers all the required concepts clearly and
concisely.

Good luck, and feel free to pop on to IRC if you want to discuss
proposals (or even just ask random questions)

From corsac at debian.org  Thu Mar  6 08:21:07 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:21:07 +0100
Subject: call for advertising: google summer of code 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080305220205.46a42613.ori@eigenstate.org>
References: <47CDC718.7080109@cornell.edu> <47CF0D85.7070101@gmail.com>
	<20080305220205.46a42613.ori@eigenstate.org>
Message-ID: <1204788067.5848.2.camel@hidalgo>

On mer, 2008-03-05 at 22:02 -0500, Ori Bernstein wrote:
> > Either way I would have plenty of time to crack open a book and
> figure
> > out the differences on my own.
> 
> Indeed. I'd expect you shouldn't have too much trouble learning C. I
> suggest you look up the book "The C Programming Language", by
> Kernighan
> and Richie. It assumes you have at least basic programming knowledge,
> but I find that it covers all the required concepts clearly and
> concisely.

And I gues you should look at stuff about glib and gtk programming, wich
are not exactly pure C programming but includes some object management
stuff, and graphic things.

Cheers,
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From noik00 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 13:13:48 2008
From: noik00 at gmail.com (...NoiK)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:13:48 +0100
Subject: build-environment
Message-ID: <4cf306140803060413u258d368dtb353fe6a3c9a4d70@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We're 2 students from the netherlands. For a project we need to
develop a plugin for the thunar filemanager. We're not very familair
with the whole concept of developping in linux.
The first thing we need to do is to create a build environment to
start developping.

The thing we stumble upon is how to compile thunar without messing
with the whole xfce idea.
we've tried to uninstall thunar, but it also deletes dependencies that
make the environment unworkable.

Does anyone has tips to give us a start to the project.

Kind regards,
Kees & Stefan.

From jelledejong at powercraft.nl  Thu Mar  6 13:53:21 2008
From: jelledejong at powercraft.nl (Jelle de Jong)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:53:21 +0100
Subject: build-environment
In-Reply-To: <4cf306140803060413u258d368dtb353fe6a3c9a4d70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cf306140803060413u258d368dtb353fe6a3c9a4d70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CFE941.5060205@powercraft.nl>

...NoiK wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We're 2 students from the netherlands. For a project we need to
> develop a plugin for the thunar filemanager. We're not very familair
> with the whole concept of developping in linux.
> The first thing we need to do is to create a build environment to
> start developping.
> 
> The thing we stumble upon is how to compile thunar without messing
> with the whole xfce idea.
> we've tried to uninstall thunar, but it also deletes dependencies that
> make the environment unworkable.
> 
> Does anyone has tips to give us a start to the project.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Kees & Stefan.

Hi Kees & Stefan,

For transparency, I am mentoring these two students and this project. I 
did not yet had the time to introduced the project, I will do this next 
week.

I will post the information to compile thunar in my next mail.

Kind regards,

Jelle

From stephan at xfce.org  Thu Mar  6 13:57:50 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:57:50 +0100
Subject: build-environment
In-Reply-To: <47CFE941.5060205@powercraft.nl>
References: <4cf306140803060413u258d368dtb353fe6a3c9a4d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CFE941.5060205@powercraft.nl>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803060457p2c39ce3dj4d53482ccf0deb0e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Jelle de Jong <jelledejong at powercraft.nl> wrote:
> ...NoiK wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > We're 2 students from the netherlands. For a project we need to
>  > develop a plugin for the thunar filemanager. We're not very familair
>  > with the whole concept of developping in linux.
>  > The first thing we need to do is to create a build environment to
>  > start developping.
>  >
>  > The thing we stumble upon is how to compile thunar without messing
>  > with the whole xfce idea.
>  > we've tried to uninstall thunar, but it also deletes dependencies that
>  > make the environment unworkable.
>  >
>  > Does anyone has tips to give us a start to the project.
>  >
>  > Kind regards,
>  > Kees & Stefan.
>
>  Hi Kees & Stefan,
>
>  For transparency, I am mentoring these two students and this project. I
>  did not yet had the time to introduced the project, I will do this next
>  week.
>
>  I will post the information to compile thunar in my next mail.
>
>  Kind regards,
>
>  Jelle

@CONFUSING@

You just made it even more blurry... :p

-
Stephan

From jelledejong at powercraft.nl  Thu Mar  6 14:24:13 2008
From: jelledejong at powercraft.nl (Jelle de Jong)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:24:13 +0100
Subject: build-environment
In-Reply-To: <74b8614e0803060457p2c39ce3dj4d53482ccf0deb0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cf306140803060413u258d368dtb353fe6a3c9a4d70@mail.gmail.com>	<47CFE941.5060205@powercraft.nl>
	<74b8614e0803060457p2c39ce3dj4d53482ccf0deb0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CFF07D.3070609@powercraft.nl>

Stephan Arts wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Jelle de Jong <jelledejong at powercraft.nl> wrote:
>> ...NoiK wrote:
>>  > Hi,
>>  >
>>  > We're 2 students from the netherlands. For a project we need to
>>  > develop a plugin for the thunar filemanager. We're not very familair
>>  > with the whole concept of developping in linux.
>>  > The first thing we need to do is to create a build environment to
>>  > start developping.
>>  >
>>  > The thing we stumble upon is how to compile thunar without messing
>>  > with the whole xfce idea.
>>  > we've tried to uninstall thunar, but it also deletes dependencies that
>>  > make the environment unworkable.
>>  >
>>  > Does anyone has tips to give us a start to the project.
>>  >
>>  > Kind regards,
>>  > Kees & Stefan.
>>
>>  Hi Kees & Stefan,
>>
>>  For transparency, I am mentoring these two students and this project. I
>>  did not yet had the time to introduced the project, I will do this next
>>  week.
>>
>>  I will post the information to compile thunar in my next mail.
>>
>>  Kind regards,
>>
>>  Jelle
> 
> @CONFUSING@
> 
> You just made it even more blurry... :p
> 

yes sorry guys, i will make everything crystal clear soon.

Jelle


From nickschermer at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 15:10:07 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:10:07 +0100
Subject: build-environment
In-Reply-To: <47CFF07D.3070609@powercraft.nl>
References: <4cf306140803060413u258d368dtb353fe6a3c9a4d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CFE941.5060205@powercraft.nl>
	<74b8614e0803060457p2c39ce3dj4d53482ccf0deb0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CFF07D.3070609@powercraft.nl>
Message-ID: <4abe35490803060610q5a196f13r378f96b48231a90f@mail.gmail.com>

Student seeking mentor. I though we already had a gsoc discussion ;-).

Nick

From damailings at mcbf.net  Thu Mar  6 22:31:02 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:31:02 -0700
Subject: GSoC: xfburn
Message-ID: <472d4b250803061331k35b02630t7b99fea6169e6f7f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I'd like to participate in Google's summer of code and work on xfburn.
I'm not much of a GUI programmer so far, so I expect to take some time
to get up to speed on working on the interface, but other than that I
think I'm a decent C programmer, and I have some limited experience
with glib and gtk already.

I saw an entry about xfburn on the ideas page on the wiki, and I agree
with those goals. Getting xfburn ported to the new libisofs is already
pretty much done. Other than that, xfburn right now is not very
feature complete, so obviously the first goal would be to get dvd and
audio cd burning implemented.

Burning dvds is actually not much different from burning cds with
libburn, so here the changes are mostly needed in the GUI.

Thinking about burning audio cds I had an idea that I'd like to get
some comments on:
What if we would implement a general interface which processes files
as they are added to the project. So in case of an audio cd project,
the audio input would get transformed to wav-audio which can then get
burned to the cd. If this was implemented flexible enough, then we
could do some neat things like:
 - MP3 CD project: encode all audio to MP3 and then burn (think of
lossless music collections)
 - Database of backed-up files: keep track of what files were ever
burned so that one knows what files have been backed up previously
 - Who knows, maybe even burn video dvds at some point

I'm not sure what to call this interface, possibly a 'processor',
because it does some work on the files, but does not necessarily
change them (as in the backup database case).

So basically a processor would consume one files, and either pass them
through, pass on a modified version, or do nothing until more files
have been added.

What do you all think?

~David

From enrico.troeger at uvena.de  Fri Mar  7 13:09:09 2008
From: enrico.troeger at uvena.de (Enrico =?UTF-8?B?VHLDtmdlcg==?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:09:09 +0100
Subject: [Goodies-commits] r4024 - in xfvnc/trunk: . xfvnc
In-Reply-To: <20080307054833.603C9F29D8@mocha.foo-projects.org>
References: <20080307054833.603C9F29D8@mocha.foo-projects.org>
Message-ID: <20080307130909.9183e43d.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>

On Fri,  7 Mar 2008 05:48:33 +0000 (UTC), "Brian Tarricone"
<kelnos at xfce.org> wrote:

Hi,

> Author: kelnos
> Date: 2008-03-07 05:48:33 +0000 (Fri, 07 Mar 2008)
> New Revision: 4024
> 
> Modified:
>    xfvnc/trunk/configure.ac.in
>    xfvnc/trunk/xfvnc/main.c
> Log:
> newer version of gtk-vnc don't have vnc_display_set_use_shm
Cool. This fixes bug http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3892.
Should I close it or do you do it?

Regards,
Enrico

-- 
Get my GPG key from http://www.uvena.de/pub.key
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From skimat at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 19:01:56 2008
From: skimat at gmail.com (Kimat Boven)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:01:56 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
Message-ID: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>

It's so obvious..
I realized that browsing
gives you the habit to
open tabs and close them quickly
Things are not the same for "windows"
blabla

*Close a window from it's iconbox icon or it's **name** in the list
with **Middle
Click** OR Wheel Click
**
scrolling the wheel above those panel elements could also make the "alt tab"
*

what is like a vagina in nature or in furniture
socks ?
blablabla
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From alexander.toresson at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 19:18:35 2008
From: alexander.toresson at gmail.com (Alexander Toresson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:18:35 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Kimat Boven <skimat at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's so obvious..
> I realized that browsing
> gives you the habit to
> open tabs and close them quickly
> Things are not the same for "windows"
> blabla
>
> Close a window from it's iconbox icon or it's name in the list with Middle
> Click OR Wheel Click
>
> scrolling the wheel above those panel elements could also make the "alt tab"
>
> what is like a vagina in nature or in furniture
> socks ?
> blablabla
>

Hello Kimat,

If this is one or several feature requests (I'm still a bit unsure),
please use bugzilla.xfce.org for that, otherwise they will be lost.

Regards, Alexander Toresson

From skimat at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 20:06:52 2008
From: skimat at gmail.com (Kimat Boven)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:06:52 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>

this is not a bug obiviously
if someone is in for setting up a platform of requests and dev interactions
roll the dice lies
hope this wont happen
2 A.T.

where would be the best place the show the requests & progress
like a canvas advertising how it is today how people see it tommorow
it could be a wiki
or a website that is lively edditable by users
like a shared document with the online edditor

xfce could have a app that connects to an online page with
a List of Xfce main componens (ike on the .org)
each component > bugs - requests - devgress

anyway i forgot my login and don't feel the need to subscribe again and
again
to add an request to a bunch of requests that are the same as mine possibly
but in between whom there isn't interaction

it's like the ubuntu request wiki
it's mouse wheels long
there are so many repetitions
and it's not synthetised

i mean dev could select request
and set them on a list not to loose (how do they put it there : the
choice-liking, favorable comments, obviousness)
what could be likely to be seen in the further releases

there is a past log list i guess from all the progress steps- adding -
rmovings - bugfixes  -
a future log list would be
a way to see what could be forseen or expected

dev could be aware of what is being rewritten - editted - bugfixed

&so on
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri Mar  7 20:37:31 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:37:31 -0800
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>

For starters let me say I'm having quite a lot of trouble understanding 
you, but I'll do my best.

Kimat Boven wrote:
> this is not a bug obiviously
> if someone is in for setting up a platform of requests and dev interactions
> roll the dice lies
> hope this wont happen
> 2 A.T.

We have several such 'platforms': bugs.xfce.org, wiki.xfce.org, 
forum.xfce.org, and of course this mailing list.

> where would be the best place the show the requests & progress
> like a canvas advertising how it is today how people see it tommorow
> it could be a wiki
> or a website that is lively edditable by users
> like a shared document with the online edditor

Again: wiki.xfce.org.

> xfce could have a app that connects to an online page with
> a List of Xfce main componens (ike on the .org)
> each component > bugs - requests - devgress

An app... like a web browser?

> anyway i forgot my login and don't feel the need to subscribe again and
> again
> to add an request to a bunch of requests that are the same as mine possibly
> but in between whom there isn't interaction

Well, if you're not willing to work with us and make use of the tools we 
already have (tools which above you seem to be advocating!), you 
probably won't get far.

> it's like the ubuntu request wiki
> it's mouse wheels long
> there are so many repetitions
> and it's not synthetised

I'm not sure I understand.

> i mean dev could select request
> and set them on a list not to loose (how do they put it there : the
> choice-liking, favorable comments, obviousness)
> what could be likely to be seen in the further releases
 >
> there is a past log list i guess from all the progress steps- adding -
> rmovings - bugfixes  -
> a future log list would be
> a way to see what could be forseen or expected

Are you talking about a roadmap?  We don't really have one, mainly 
because, out of the people actively working on Xfce, no one is able to 
give a predictable time commitment.  So things tend to get done when 
they get done, and new features and new direction tend to just appear 
organically.  There are feature requests on Bugzilla and the wiki, and 
we try to implement those as we feel is practical and useful.

> dev could be aware of what is being rewritten - editted - bugfixed

I think the devs are pretty well aware of what's going on in 
developer-land already.

	-brian


From skimat at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 21:11:12 2008
From: skimat at gmail.com (Kimat Boven)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:11:12 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>

yeah a bit to much was said on this conception of tool or webpage

in short : this page : http://www.xfce.org/projects/
could lead me to something else than http://wiki.xfce.org/xfc_todo
 ill just wiki without wikkedness

the subject was
XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists > Request
it's clear
the website could have it already without having
a wiki or bugzi or blog or a mail list

seems to me that posting a bug of a improvement in a messy mess would just
make it easily lost

*so for me bugzilla misses a request tag and a locate in xfce structure tab*

2008/3/7, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu>:
>
> For starters let me say I'm having quite a lot of trouble understanding
> you, but I'll do my best.
>
>
> Kimat Boven wrote:
> > this is not a bug obiviously
> > if someone is in for setting up a platform of requests and dev
> interactions
> > roll the dice lies
> > hope this wont happen
> > 2 A.T.
>
>
> We have several such 'platforms': bugs.xfce.org, wiki.xfce.org,
> forum.xfce.org, and of course this mailing list.
>
>
> > where would be the best place the show the requests & progress
> > like a canvas advertising how it is today how people see it tommorow
> > it could be a wiki
> > or a website that is lively edditable by users
> > like a shared document with the online edditor
>
>
> Again: wiki.xfce.org.
>
>
> > xfce could have a app that connects to an online page with
> > a List of Xfce main componens (ike on the .org)
> > each component > bugs - requests - devgress
>
>
> An app... like a web browser?
>
>
> > anyway i forgot my login and don't feel the need to subscribe again and
> > again
> > to add an request to a bunch of requests that are the same as mine
> possibly
> > but in between whom there isn't interaction
>
>
> Well, if you're not willing to work with us and make use of the tools we
> already have (tools which above you seem to be advocating!), you
> probably won't get far.
>
>
> > it's like the ubuntu request wiki
> > it's mouse wheels long
> > there are so many repetitions
> > and it's not synthetised
>
>
> I'm not sure I understand.
>
>
> > i mean dev could select request
> > and set them on a list not to loose (how do they put it there : the
> > choice-liking, favorable comments, obviousness)
> > what could be likely to be seen in the further releases
>   >
> > there is a past log list i guess from all the progress steps- adding -
> > rmovings - bugfixes  -
> > a future log list would be
> > a way to see what could be forseen or expected
>
>
> Are you talking about a roadmap?  We don't really have one, mainly
> because, out of the people actively working on Xfce, no one is able to
> give a predictable time commitment.  So things tend to get done when
> they get done, and new features and new direction tend to just appear
> organically.  There are feature requests on Bugzilla and the wiki, and
> we try to implement those as we feel is practical and useful.
>
>
> > dev could be aware of what is being rewritten - editted - bugfixed
>
>
> I think the devs are pretty well aware of what's going on in
> developer-land already.
>
>
>         -brian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce4-dev mailing list
> Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Fri Mar  7 21:22:03 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:22:03 -0800
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47D1A3EB.2060807@cornell.edu>

(Please don't top-post.)

Kimat Boven wrote:

> *so for me bugzilla misses a request tag and a locate in xfce structure tab*

Then please feel free to find us one of the following:

1.  A different bug tracker that requires minimal time to migrate all 
existing users and data to, and has all the features our current tracker 
has.  (No, launchpad.net is not an option.)

2.  A simple modification to Bugzilla that can be applied with minimal 
work and will add the features you desire.

Otherwise, do you expect it to "just happen" because you want it? 
Making changes to the bug tracker that will just get blown away or will 
need to be redone the next time Bugzilla releases a new version isn't 
really a priority for me.

	-brian

From peter at xfce.org  Fri Mar  7 21:43:32 2008
From: peter at xfce.org (Peter de Ridder)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:43:32 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d7c3a3890803071243l7ea90aa2ifbb29b94afaab735@mail.gmail.com>

A bug in a bug tracking system is: "An unexpected result of actions"
This means things like crashes, broken interaction, unimplemented features
...
As a new feature is something you expect to be there it is a bug as it
"should" be there.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Kimat Boven <skimat at gmail.com> wrote:

> seems to me that posting a bug of a improvement in a messy mess would just
> make it easily lost
>

There is a special bug type called enhancement for feature request, so they
can be separately filtered and won't be lost.

Greetings,
Peter
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From skimat at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 21:51:23 2008
From: skimat at gmail.com (Kimat Boven)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:51:23 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <47D1A3EB.2060807@cornell.edu>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1A3EB.2060807@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <3024e1e00803071251h23bc8e53gc45951cbf7e442a2@mail.gmail.com>

the wiki is fun to play with
a bit messy but it's all there with it's unstated rules and reply comments
way
much more minimalistic than the ubuntu wishlist that is saturated

i don't know what's a top post but anyway
posting request anonymously on the wiki
is better than dropping a guess in the bug jungle

Oh so ill try both but thats double incomeboxes

so i d say i know wiki keeps a structure and holds the requests such as
flowers

the bugland  could be a place for fast resquests without fuss for registered

Akounamata
en supposant que ca f? avancer le chimlblik

Peter Brian & Alexander
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From nickschermer at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 19:57:29 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:57:29 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <3024e1e00803071251h23bc8e53gc45951cbf7e442a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1A3EB.2060807@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071251h23bc8e53gc45951cbf7e442a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4abe35490803081057l68ca7140oa643ed4437f93128@mail.gmail.com>

2008/3/7, Kimat Boven <skimat at gmail.com>:
> i don't know what's a top post but anyway
>  posting request anonymously on the wiki
> is better than dropping a guess in the bug jungle

You have no idea what you're talking about. Which is fine by me, but
keep if for yourself and don't spam by mailbox (and this ml). Thank
you very much...

Nick

From jannis at xfce.org  Sat Mar  8 23:23:16 2008
From: jannis at xfce.org (Jannis Pohlmann)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:23:16 +0100
Subject: GSoC: xfburn
In-Reply-To: <472d4b250803061331k35b02630t7b99fea6169e6f7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472d4b250803061331k35b02630t7b99fea6169e6f7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080308232316.38e4ccba@84.200.240.9>

Hey David,

first of all thanks for your interest in Xfce and SoC.

Am Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:31:02 -0700
schrieb "David Mohr" <damailings at mcbf.net>:

> Hi everyone,
> I'd like to participate in Google's summer of code and work on xfburn.
> I'm not much of a GUI programmer so far, so I expect to take some time
> to get up to speed on working on the interface, but other than that I
> think I'm a decent C programmer, and I have some limited experience
> with glib and gtk already.
> 
> I saw an entry about xfburn on the ideas page on the wiki, and I agree
> with those goals. Getting xfburn ported to the new libisofs is already
> pretty much done. Other than that, xfburn right now is not very
> feature complete, so obviously the first goal would be to get dvd and
> audio cd burning implemented.
> 
> Burning dvds is actually not much different from burning cds with
> libburn, so here the changes are mostly needed in the GUI.
> 
> Thinking about burning audio cds I had an idea that I'd like to get
> some comments on:
> What if we would implement a general interface which processes files
> as they are added to the project. So in case of an audio cd project,
> the audio input would get transformed to wav-audio which can then get
> burned to the cd. If this was implemented flexible enough, then we
> could do some neat things like:
>  - MP3 CD project: encode all audio to MP3 and then burn (think of
> lossless music collections)
>  - Database of backed-up files: keep track of what files were ever
> burned so that one knows what files have been backed up previously
>  - Who knows, maybe even burn video dvds at some point
> 
> I'm not sure what to call this interface, possibly a 'processor',
> because it does some work on the files, but does not necessarily
> change them (as in the backup database case).
> 
> So basically a processor would consume one files, and either pass them
> through, pass on a modified version, or do nothing until more files
> have been added.
> 
> What do you all think?

I've been thinking about it for a while and it occurs to me that a
burn project plugin architecture might be the right conceptual idea for
this?

The 'processors' approach as you describe it sounds much like an
embedded shell fronted (with support for commands like 'lame') to 
me. IMHO, 'processors' like this rather belong to a file manager than
to a burn program. 

Anyway, just my two cents.

  - Jannis
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From jwcampbell at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 20:14:55 2008
From: jwcampbell at gmail.com (Jim Campbell)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:14:55 -0500
Subject: Xfce documentation
Message-ID: <cc5454020803091214n10b13754u9b771695fd41eea8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm currently the primary contributor to Xubuntu documentation, and would
like to contribute to Xfce documentation once the Xubuntu 8.04 documentation
is complete.  (String freeze for Xubuntu documentation is set for March
20th.)  I am not a complete expert, but am mostly familiar with both
docbook-xml and SVN tools, and have been using Xubuntu (and occasionally
trying out other Xfce-based distros) for about a year and a half.  I think I
have a decent understanding of Xfce's underpinnings and how it is
configured, but part of my reason for wanting to contribute to Xfce docs is
to further this understanding.



As I understand it (and correct me if I'm wrong), Xfce's documentation isn't
stored in a single doc repository - it's spread out among different SVN
repos for each application (and the documentation might not be very
consistent?).  Given that, I don't see myself giving all of Xfce's
documentation a complete overhaul, but would be interested in contributing
documentation to a couple of Xfce projects that need the help.  Are there
any Xfce apps or utilities that are in particular need of documentation
updates right now, or any particular areas where you think my efforts would
be most helpful?



Please let me know, and I'll start working.  :)  Thanks,



Jim

jwcampbell at gmail.com

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/j1mc
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From nickschermer at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 20:52:36 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:52:36 +0100
Subject: segfaulting xfce4-panel
In-Reply-To: <4abe35490802170904w723b37a7qd9e3af25616d85d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080217114811.a6a43c63.oliver@FreeBSD.org>
	<4abe35490802170338j632d5100xe344b4d91a9cf54c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080217131945.40861d0a.oliver@FreeBSD.org>
	<4abe35490802170904w723b37a7qd9e3af25616d85d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4abe35490803091252j60f98694w1d7d50a05e626228@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/17, Nick Schermer <nickschermer at gmail.com>:
> 2008/2/17, Oliver Lehmann <oliver at freebsd.org>:
>
> > Nick Schermer wrote:
>  >
>  > > Could you try it?
>  >
>  > I had to apply the patch by hand (I'm using 4.4.2), but after applying
>  > it, the panel stoped segfaulting. Do you think I can include the patch in
>  > the FreeBSD port of xfce4-panel or should I wait until you've finished it
>  > entirely?
>
>
> No, its not safe enough. i'll look into the implementation a bit more
>  and come up with a good patch later this week (both trunk and branch).
>  This was only a test if it worked, so thanks for testing ^_^.

I've committed improved xfce4-panel dnd code to fix above and other
issues. Although the changes work good here, I'd like to have some
confirmation from more people (esp. xfce_4_4 branch (26672) users, but
same code is in trunk (r26671) too) since it's quite a big change for
the stable branch.

Thanks in advance,
Nick

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Mar 10 10:04:04 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:04:04 -0700
Subject: summer of code application guidelines
Message-ID: <20080310020404.2e54ecc8@kepler>

Hi all,

I've put up a page on the wiki with some student application guidelines:
http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-guidelines

As I said before, we haven't yet been accepted into the program (I'll
be submitting the application tomorrow), but it's a good time to start
thinking about what you want to do and discussing it on the mailing
list (xfce4-dev, please) and/or in our IRC channel (#xfce on Freenode).

	-brian

From oliver at FreeBSD.org  Mon Mar 10 16:09:55 2008
From: oliver at FreeBSD.org (Oliver Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:09:55 +0100
Subject: segfaulting xfce4-panel
In-Reply-To: <4abe35490803091252j60f98694w1d7d50a05e626228@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080217114811.a6a43c63.oliver@FreeBSD.org>
	<4abe35490802170338j632d5100xe344b4d91a9cf54c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080217131945.40861d0a.oliver@FreeBSD.org>
	<4abe35490802170904w723b37a7qd9e3af25616d85d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe35490803091252j60f98694w1d7d50a05e626228@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080310160955.33ee9245.oliver@FreeBSD.org>

Nick Schermer wrote:

> I've committed improved xfce4-panel dnd code to fix above and other
> issues. Although the changes work good here, I'd like to have some
> confirmation from more people (esp. xfce_4_4 branch (26672) users, but
> same code is in trunk (r26671) too) since it's quite a big change for
> the stable branch.

It works for me w/o problems. I think I'll go commit a patch including
your change end of the week to FreeBSDs ports-CVS.

-- 
 Oliver Lehmann
  http://www.pofo.de/
  http://wishlist.ans-netz.de/

From jwcampbell at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 01:06:02 2008
From: jwcampbell at gmail.com (Jim Campbell)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:02 -0500
Subject: segfaulting xfce4-panel
In-Reply-To: <4abe35490803091252j60f98694w1d7d50a05e626228@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080217114811.a6a43c63.oliver@FreeBSD.org>
	<4abe35490802170338j632d5100xe344b4d91a9cf54c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080217131945.40861d0a.oliver@FreeBSD.org>
	<4abe35490802170904w723b37a7qd9e3af25616d85d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe35490803091252j60f98694w1d7d50a05e626228@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc5454020803111706m174d7aegd7d991a80b01cb1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Nick Schermer <nickschermer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've committed improved xfce4-panel dnd code to fix above and other
> issues. Although the changes work good here, I'd like to have some
> confirmation from more people (esp. xfce_4_4 branch (26672) users, but
> same code is in trunk (r26671) too) since it's quite a big change for
> the stable branch.
>

Lionel Le Folgoc has packaged the new xfce4-panel for Xubuntu's development
branch, and we've had four testers report back with positive results.
Thanks for your work, Nick.

Jim
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From skimat at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 10:48:28 2008
From: skimat at gmail.com (Kimat Boven)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:48:28 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <4abe35490803081057l68ca7140oa643ed4437f93128@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1A3EB.2060807@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071251h23bc8e53gc45951cbf7e442a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe35490803081057l68ca7140oa643ed4437f93128@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3024e1e00803130248q442fb63fm41e72a07b7ddecd0@mail.gmail.com>

Report on the places to post and or read proposals/wishes/enhancements

http://xfce.wikia.com/wiki/Wish_List
< seams to be outdated but has it's share of interresting/\innovative ideas
http://wiki.xfce.org/wish_list
<as previous usefull for it's structural organisation, lacks image upload
but links are possible
http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
<a bit more procedures, as it requires a resgistration that can be usefull
to identify ideas and their posters, lacks the ability to sea what has
already been posted and a structural trea // xfce structure
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From stephan at xfce.org  Thu Mar 13 13:58:38 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:58:38 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <3024e1e00803130248q442fb63fm41e72a07b7ddecd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1A3EB.2060807@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071251h23bc8e53gc45951cbf7e442a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe35490803081057l68ca7140oa643ed4437f93128@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803130248q442fb63fm41e72a07b7ddecd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803130558u1ff4b634pb5da57e76ddd89e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Kimat Boven <skimat at gmail.com> wrote:
> Report on the places to post and or read proposals/wishes/enhancements
>
> http://xfce.wikia.com/wiki/Wish_List
> < seams to be outdated but has it's share of interresting/\innovative ideas
>  http://wiki.xfce.org/wish_list
> <as previous usefull for it's structural organisation, lacks image upload
> but links are possible
> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
>  <a bit more procedures, as it requires a resgistration that can be usefull
> to identify ideas and their posters, lacks the ability to sea what has
> already been posted and a structural trea // xfce structure

Ok, except that nobody reads wikia... you are right.
But this is the xfce4-dev m/l, everybody knows already.

To be more precise... some of us maintain the two latter components...

With all your good intentions, please idle along for the time being...
At least until you get an idea what the hell you're talking about. And
don't bother us with any information we already know.

-
Stephan

From alexander.toresson at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 22:02:16 2008
From: alexander.toresson at gmail.com (Alexander Toresson)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:02:16 +0100
Subject: About the XFCE Panel (XFCE - Xfce Panel - IconBox & Task Lists)
In-Reply-To: <3024e1e00803130248q442fb63fm41e72a07b7ddecd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3024e1e00803071001v2e60dd28n75c04a3725079daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<b33ba6660803071018ld8f19f9j379c7725b3cc1298@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803071106k548d7030t76d6886e5be91089@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1997B.8080501@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071211k706a30adnfc52e17b56eb1e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D1A3EB.2060807@cornell.edu>
	<3024e1e00803071251h23bc8e53gc45951cbf7e442a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe35490803081057l68ca7140oa643ed4437f93128@mail.gmail.com>
	<3024e1e00803130248q442fb63fm41e72a07b7ddecd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b33ba6660803131402if55a022le08f1043cb0f4fcb@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Kimat Boven <skimat at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
>  <a bit more procedures, as it requires a resgistration that can be usefull
> to identify ideas and their posters, lacks the ability to sea what has
> already been posted and a structural trea // xfce structure
>

FYI, that is the correct place to post feature request if you do now
want them to become forgotten.

// Alexander

From damailings at mcbf.net  Mon Mar 17 23:09:24 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:09:24 -0600
Subject: No Google Summer of Code...
Message-ID: <472d4b250803171509r70f8dcb3hbce0be41f11d635a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
it seems like xfce didn't make it this year either. It's really too bad :-(

http://code.google.com/soc/2008/

My guess is that rejected organizations don't hear anything from
Google, but I wonder if there's some way of finding out why? Obviously
IMHO xfce is definitely important enough to get some sponsoring!

~David

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Mar 18 00:55:08 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:55:08 -0700
Subject: gsoc results
Message-ID: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>

Hey guys,

As some of you probably already noticed, we did not get accepted as a 
mentoring org for GSoC this year.  Ah well.  I'll see about asking why 
we didn't get accepted.

There's always next year if anyone has the motivation and time to apply 
for us.

	-brian

From moe at xfce.org  Tue Mar 18 01:22:09 2008
From: moe at xfce.org (Moritz Heiber)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:22:09 +0100
Subject: gsoc results
In-Reply-To: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>
References: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20080318012209.6239210d@xfce.org>

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:55:08 -0700
"Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> As some of you probably already noticed, we did not get accepted as a 
> mentoring org for GSoC this year.  Ah well.  I'll see about asking
> why we didn't get accepted.
> 
> There's always next year if anyone has the motivation and time to
> apply for us.

I'm really puzzled as to why this happened AGAIN. Right now, when I
look at the accepted mentoring bodies, I really wonder what sets them
apart from our project by that much to reject us again. Sigh.

Brian, thank you very much for all your time and effort you put into
this. I know about your tight schedule and that is why its really much
appreciated.

Regards,

Moritz

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From nightmorph at gentoo.org  Tue Mar 18 06:20:29 2008
From: nightmorph at gentoo.org (Josh Saddler)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:20:29 -0700
Subject: gsoc results
In-Reply-To: <20080318012209.6239210d@xfce.org>
References: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu> <20080318012209.6239210d@xfce.org>
Message-ID: <47DF511D.7030406@gentoo.org>

Moritz Heiber wrote:
> I'm really puzzled as to why this happened AGAIN. Right now, when I
> look at the accepted mentoring bodies, I really wonder what sets them
> apart from our project by that much to reject us again. Sigh.

Maybe Google runs nothin' but KDE in-house? :)

> Brian, thank you very much for all your time and effort you put into
> this. I know about your tight schedule and that is why its really much
> appreciated.

Agreed; thanks for the time and effort you put into getting Xfce ready 
for it.

For what it's worth, I'm interested in helping out with both the docs 
(there's an open bug on 'em somewhere) and getting xfburn "modernized" . 
. . I just have to learn gtk+ first. :)

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From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Tue Mar 18 07:19:00 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:19:00 -0700
Subject: gsoc results
In-Reply-To: <47DF511D.7030406@gentoo.org>
References: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu> <20080318012209.6239210d@xfce.org>
	<47DF511D.7030406@gentoo.org>
Message-ID: <20080317231900.3b5dfb06@kepler>

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:20:29 -0700 Josh Saddler wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, I'm interested in helping out with both the docs 
> (there's an open bug on 'em somewhere) and getting xfburn
> "modernized" . . . I just have to learn gtk+ first. :)

Best way to learn is with some existing code ^_^.

About the docs, feel free to make changes/updates and send patches...
or attach them to bugs on bugzilla.  Our docs could certainly use some
love.

	-brian

From jannis at xfce.org  Tue Mar 18 09:39:10 2008
From: jannis at xfce.org (Jannis Pohlmann)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:39:10 +0100
Subject: gsoc results
In-Reply-To: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>
References: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20080318093910.1d4017f6@84.200.240.9>

Hey,

Am Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:55:08 -0700
schrieb "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu>:

> Hey guys,
> 
> As some of you probably already noticed, we did not get accepted as a 
> mentoring org for GSoC this year.  Ah well.  I'll see about asking
> why we didn't get accepted.

Yeah, crap. I just took a look at the ideas page of the accepted
organizations. Most of the ideas were more concrete and described in
detail. Maybe that's it. 
In case you can find out anything, I'd be glad to hear about it.
 
> There's always next year if anyone has the motivation and time to
> apply for us.

Yup, we'll see. Thanks for the work you put into this during the past
weeks, Brian.

  - Jannis
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From nickschermer at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:05:03 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:05:03 +0100
Subject: gsoc results
In-Reply-To: <20080318093910.1d4017f6@84.200.240.9>
References: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>
	<20080318093910.1d4017f6@84.200.240.9>
Message-ID: <4abe35490803180305s4023e563lcaff0c6cc9e0a212@mail.gmail.com>

2008/3/18, Jannis Pohlmann <jannis at xfce.org>:
> Hey,
>
>  Am Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:55:08 -0700
>  schrieb "Brian J. Tarricone" <bjt23 at cornell.edu>:
>
>
>  > Hey guys,
>  >
>  > As some of you probably already noticed, we did not get accepted as a
>  > mentoring org for GSoC this year.  Ah well.  I'll see about asking
>  > why we didn't get accepted.
>
>
> Yeah, crap. I just took a look at the ideas page of the accepted
>  organizations. Most of the ideas were more concrete and described in
>  detail. Maybe that's it.
>  In case you can find out anything, I'd be glad to hear about it.

Well most of the ideas are better described, but a lot of them are
still one-liners. And the following line in in the gsoc faq suggest a
detailed idea page is not critical for being accepted:

---8<---
[...] we've heard from past mentoring organization participants that
some of their best student projects are those that greatly expanded on
a proposed idea or were blue-sky proposals not mentioned on the Ideas
list at all.
--->8---

Anyway, Thanks Brian for putting time in this. Hopefully some
interested people still pick up some of the ideas.

Nick

From sofar at foo-projects.org  Tue Mar 18 18:24:50 2008
From: sofar at foo-projects.org (Kok, Auke)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:24:50 -0700
Subject: gsoc results
In-Reply-To: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>
References: <47DF04DC.1060206@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <47DFFAE2.7030104@foo-projects.org>

Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> As some of you probably already noticed, we did not get accepted as a 
> mentoring org for GSoC this year.  Ah well.  I'll see about asking why 
> we didn't get accepted.
> 
> There's always next year if anyone has the motivation and time to apply 
> for us.

for anyone who is interested in still trying to get anything done for Xfce - I can
try again this year to work with my X.org friends to see if we can use their gsoc
acceptance for Xfce.

we did this last year and the X.org people I know are more than happy to help us
out again this year. I'm not sure how this will work but it's a possibility that
we can probably coordinate.


Auke

From spamrefuse at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 03:31:02 2008
From: spamrefuse at yahoo.com (Rob)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
Message-ID: <274069.64763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello,

I'm using Fedora 7 Linux system with:
   Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
   version 4.4.2 (Xfce 4.4)

Also installed:
    Thunar-0.9.0-2.fc7
    xfdesktop-4.4.2-1.fc7

When I start applications by opening files in Thunar or from the Desktop,
this creates zombie processes. After a while, I'm stuck with loads of
zombie processes.

To get rid of these zombies, I have to kill Thunar and the xfdesktop
programs. This is not nice, as, for example, my desktop icons disappear
(of course I can restart manually the desktop again..still not nice!).

I suppose this is a problem in Xfce4.
Are you aware of these problems?
Is it solvable?

Regards,
Rob.


       
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From stephan at xfce.org  Wed Mar 19 08:53:09 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:53:09 +0100
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
In-Reply-To: <274069.64763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <274069.64763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803190053r108641fcoc66d458c30bf4c8a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:31 AM, Rob <spamrefuse at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm using Fedora 7 Linux system with:
>    Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
>    version 4.4.2 (Xfce 4.4)
>
> Also installed:
>     Thunar-0.9.0-2.fc7
>     xfdesktop-4.4.2-1.fc7
>
> When I start applications by opening files in Thunar or from the Desktop,
> this creates zombie processes. After a while, I'm stuck with loads of
> zombie processes.
>
> To get rid of these zombies, I have to kill Thunar and the xfdesktop
> programs. This is not nice, as, for example, my desktop icons disappear
> (of course I can restart manually the desktop again..still not nice!).
>
> I suppose this is a problem in Xfce4.
> Are you aware of these problems?
> Is it solvable?

Well, it sounds like a new problem, do you have an idea which
application actually crashed?

-
Stephan

From colin at colino.net  Wed Mar 19 08:39:17 2008
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:39:17 +0100
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
In-Reply-To: <274069.64763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <274069.64763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080319083917.01437247@paperstreet.colino.net>

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:31:02 -0700 (PDT), Rob wrote:

Hi,

> I suppose this is a problem in Xfce4.
> Are you aware of these problems?
> Is it solvable?

IIRC, it's in bugzilla and patched in SVN. Some distros have backported
the patch.

-- 
Colin

From colin at colino.net  Wed Mar 19 09:14:13 2008
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:14:13 +0100
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
In-Reply-To: <20080319083917.01437247@paperstreet.colino.net>
References: <274069.64763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20080319083917.01437247@paperstreet.colino.net>
Message-ID: <20080319091413.20a831ca@paperstreet.colino.net>

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:39:17 +0100, Colin Leroy wrote:

Hi,

> > I suppose this is a problem in Xfce4.
> > Are you aware of these problems?
> > Is it solvable?  
> 
> IIRC, it's in bugzilla and patched in SVN.

It's probably http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2983

Try that patch:
http://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=1452&action=view

HTH,

-- 
Colin

From stephan at xfce.org  Wed Mar 19 09:22:03 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:22:03 +0100
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
In-Reply-To: <20080319091413.20a831ca@paperstreet.colino.net>
References: <274069.64763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20080319083917.01437247@paperstreet.colino.net>
	<20080319091413.20a831ca@paperstreet.colino.net>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803190122h6609a885o8642c624fc96842d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:39:17 +0100, Colin Leroy wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
>  > > I suppose this is a problem in Xfce4.
>  > > Are you aware of these problems?
>  > > Is it solvable?
>  >
>  > IIRC, it's in bugzilla and patched in SVN.
>
>  It's probably http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2983
>
>  Try that patch:
>  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=1452&action=view

Cool, I didn't know that :-)

-
Stephan

From spamrefuse at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 09:48:55 2008
From: spamrefuse at yahoo.com (Rob)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
Message-ID: <425075.9579.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephan Arts wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19 spamrefuse at yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm using Fedora 7 Linux system with:
>>    Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
>>    version 4.4.2 (Xfce 4.4)
>>
>> Also installed:
>>     Thunar-0.9.0-2.fc7
>>     xfdesktop-4.4.2-1.fc7
>>
>> When I start applications by opening files in Thunar or from
>> the Desktop, this creates zombie processes. After a while,
>> I'm stuck with loads of zombie processes.
>>
>> To get rid of these zombies, I have to kill Thunar and the
>>  xfdesktop programs. This is not nice, as, for example,
>> my desktop icons disappear (of course I can restart
>> manually the desktop again..still not nice!).
>>
>> I suppose this is a problem in Xfce4.
>> Are you aware of these problems?
>> Is it solvable?
> 
> Well, it sounds like a new problem, do you have an idea which
> application actually crashed?

Something should have crashed? Not that I have noticed.
I keep using Thunar and xfdesktop for opening files, mainly
PDFs (with evince), JPGs (with gimp) and movies (xine or vlc).

After a day or more, I run the 'top' command and see over
20 or 30 zombie processes, which all have their parent
processes as either Thunar of xfdesktop.

If this is something unusual or new, then I can investigate
more (how?).

Rob.


       
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From bl at lue.dk  Sat Mar 22 07:53:16 2008
From: bl at lue.dk (Bo Lorentsen)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:53:16 +0100
Subject: setttings in xfce 4.6
In-Reply-To: <47851DC8.8090909@cornell.edu>
References: <4abe35490801090717o22f410efl3ab573d42611b9b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<47851DC8.8090909@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <47E4ACDC.8090900@lue.dk>

Brian J. Tarricone wrote:

> xfconf is mostly working (there're two function in libxfconf 
> get/set_string_list() that don't work, and I haven't decided how I want 
> to fix them yet).  Otherwise it just needs lots of testing.  I haven't 
> really had much time lately; perhaps I'll import it into the main xfce 
> svn repo soon so others can play around with it more easily.
It would be nice to know what the status of the xfconf system is, and 
some kind of wiki could be nice too.

Are there any idea in putting some keyring functionality into this one 
too ? It would be nice to have some kind of protected area inside this 
system, for passwords and stuff like this (to be able to port nm to 
native xfce or having a fuse manager).

I really like to try this out, and try to really use it too (or even 
make a manager for it).

/BL

From spamrefuse at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 25 13:04:34 2008
From: spamrefuse at yahoo.com (Rob)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:04:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
Message-ID: <502401.46937.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephan Arts wrote:
>
> Well, it sounds like a new problem, do you have an idea which
> application actually crashed?

I got it again with xfdesktop. The program "file-roller" has become
zombie, because it is dangling from xfdesktop. Only when I kill
xfdesktop I can get rid of the zombie. Here are the details from the 
terminal:

$ ps -Al | grep Z
F S UID   PID   PPID C PRI NI ADDR SZ WCHAN TTY TIME CMD
0 Z 500 30473  9403 0 80 0 - 0 exit ? 00:00:04 file-roller <defunct>

$ ps --ppid 9403
  PID TTY          TIME CMD
30473 ?        00:00:04 file-roller <defunct>

$ ps --pid 9403
  PID TTY          TIME CMD
 9403 ?        00:31:25 xfdesktop


Hence, there's also something wrong with the xfdesktop executable.
(See my first email of this thread for details on my system and xfce
version).

Regards,
Rob.


       
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From stephan at xfce.org  Tue Mar 25 14:44:25 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:44:25 +0100
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
In-Reply-To: <502401.46937.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <502401.46937.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803250644o26ca96a5r67f0aea033617034@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Rob <spamrefuse at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Stephan Arts wrote:
> >
> > Well, it sounds like a new problem, do you have an idea which
> > application actually crashed?
>
> I got it again with xfdesktop. The program "file-roller" has become
> zombie, because it is dangling from xfdesktop. Only when I kill
> xfdesktop I can get rid of the zombie. Here are the details from the
> terminal:
>
> $ ps -Al | grep Z
> F S UID   PID   PPID C PRI NI ADDR SZ WCHAN TTY TIME CMD
> 0 Z 500 30473  9403 0 80 0 - 0 exit ? 00:00:04 file-roller <defunct>
>
> $ ps --ppid 9403
>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
> 30473 ?        00:00:04 file-roller <defunct>
>
> $ ps --pid 9403
>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
>  9403 ?        00:31:25 xfdesktop
>
>
> Hence, there's also something wrong with the xfdesktop executable.
> (See my first email of this thread for details on my system and xfce
> version).

Please stop sending html e-mails. And especially the ones containing
bold text!!!

Have you tried Colin's hint?

>
> Regards,
> Rob.

Stephan

From spamrefuse at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 25 16:12:41 2008
From: spamrefuse at yahoo.com (Rob)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
Message-ID: <763653.13162.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephan Arts wrote:
>
> Have you tried Colin's hint?

Do you mean the patch he mentioned in an earlier reply
to my first report on the zombie issue?
But that is a patch to Thunar....not to xfdesktop !?!
(BTW: I also have those zombies, because that patch
hasn't made it yet into the yum repo packages).

I see also zombies appear that are left behind by
xfdesktop, apparently by opening files via the
desktop directly, instead of using Thunar.

Moreover, I can't check or test myself any patches
now, because I'm not compiling XFCE myself;
instead I use precompiled packages from the yum repo.
>From there I have now:

  Xfce version 4.4.2
  xfdesktop-4.4.2-1.fc7
  file-roller-2.18.4-1.fc7
  Thunar-0.9.0-2.fc7

Rob.



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From colin at colino.net  Tue Mar 25 16:26:46 2008
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:26:46 +0100
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
In-Reply-To: <763653.13162.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <763653.13162.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080325162646.4f057ab9@paperstreet.colino.net>

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT), Rob wrote:

Hi,

> > Have you tried Colin's hint?  
> 
> Do you mean the patch he mentioned in an earlier reply
> to my first report on the zombie issue?
> But that is a patch to Thunar....not to xfdesktop !?!

It's a patch from thunar-vfs, so I suppose that's used by xfdesktop.

-- 
Colin

From corsac at debian.org  Tue Mar 25 18:47:34 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:47:34 +0100
Subject: Zombie processes left by Xfce4 programs (Thunar, xfdesktop, ...)
In-Reply-To: <763653.13162.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <763653.13162.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1206467254.2943.3.camel@hidalgo>

On mar, 2008-03-25 at 08:12 -0700, Rob wrote:
> Moreover, I can't check or test myself any patches
> now, because I'm not compiling XFCE myself;
> instead I use precompiled packages from the yum repo.

Bug your distro and tell them about the patch.
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From kangaja at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 23:25:55 2008
From: kangaja at gmail.com (Robert Keizer)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:25:55 -0500
Subject: Getting the trunk release
Message-ID: <5edafc1a0803261525y66cac339o8742a3bb33c151ab@mail.gmail.com>

An odd error when checking out the trunk development version. Somthing to do
with the virtual repositories at http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/modules/trunk?

kangaja at debian:~/development$ svn co
http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/modules/trunk

.... blah blah blah .....

Fetching external item into 'trunk/xfce4-toys'
svn: URL 'http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfce4-toys/trunk' doesn't exist
kangaja at debian:~/development$
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From stephan at xfce.org  Thu Mar 27 07:36:37 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:36:37 +0100
Subject: Getting the trunk release
In-Reply-To: <5edafc1a0803261525y66cac339o8742a3bb33c151ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5edafc1a0803261525y66cac339o8742a3bb33c151ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803262336u74299b1ct88d7e177490cbf9f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Robert Keizer <kangaja at gmail.com> wrote:
> An odd error when checking out the trunk development version. Somthing to do
> with the virtual repositories at http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/modules/trunk?
>
>  kangaja at debian:~/development$ svn co
> http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/modules/trunk
>
> .... blah blah blah .....
>
> Fetching external item into 'trunk/xfce4-toys'
>  svn: URL 'http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfce4-toys/trunk' doesn't exist
> kangaja at debian:~/development$

Ah, yeah.... I'll fix that later today.

Regards,
Stephan

From linuce at gmail.com  Sat Mar 29 04:21:15 2008
From: linuce at gmail.com (LiNuCe)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:21:15 +0100
Subject: Thunar and zombies (bis)
Message-ID: <84daf1d70803282021r1490dbccg828219b957a67974@mail.gmail.com>

Thunar 0.9.0 (Xfce 4.4.2) still leaves zombies,
even with the patch from bug #2983 [1].

$ ps -Al | grep " Z"
F S  UID PID   PPID C PRI NI ADDR SZ WCHAN TTY TIME     CMD
0 Z 1000  2775 2550 0 80  0  -    0  -     ?   00:00:00 gvim <defunct>
0 Z 1000  2862 2550 0 80  0  -    0  -     ?   00:00:00 file-roller <defunct>
0 Z 1000  2893 2550 0 80  0  -    0  -     ?   00:00:00 gvim <defunct>
0 Z 1000 12337 2550 0 80  0  -    0  -     ?   00:00:00 gvim <defunct>
0 Z 1000 14029 2550 0 80  0  -    0  -     ?   00:00:00 gvim <defunct>

$ ps --pid 2550
PID  TTY TIME     CMD
2550 ?   00:00:08 thunar

Closing Thunar get rid of zombies. The new thing is that I don't get
zombies when disabling startup notification when rebuilding Xfce
(--disable-startup-notification).

[1] http://bugzilla.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=1452&action=view

-- 
LiNuCe

From kangaja at gmail.com  Sat Mar 29 07:29:25 2008
From: kangaja at gmail.com (Robert Keizer)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:29:25 -0500
Subject: Getting the trunk release
In-Reply-To: <74b8614e0803262336u74299b1ct88d7e177490cbf9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5edafc1a0803261525y66cac339o8742a3bb33c151ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<74b8614e0803262336u74299b1ct88d7e177490cbf9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5edafc1a0803282329y646166ftb78d41cdcf51b1ed@mail.gmail.com>

Friendly reminder that it still doesn't seem to be working..

On 27/03/2008, Stephan Arts <stephan at xfce.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Robert Keizer <kangaja at gmail.com> wrote:
> > An odd error when checking out the trunk development version. Somthing
> to do
> > with the virtual repositories at
> http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/modules/trunk?
> >
> >  kangaja at debian:~/development$ svn co
> > http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/modules/trunk
> >
> > .... blah blah blah .....
> >
> > Fetching external item into 'trunk/xfce4-toys'
> >  svn: URL 'http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfce4-toys/trunk' doesn't exist
> > kangaja at debian:~/development$
>
>
> Ah, yeah.... I'll fix that later today.
>
> Regards,
> Stephan
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce4-dev mailing list
> Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
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From stephan at xfce.org  Sat Mar 29 08:32:03 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:32:03 +0100
Subject: Getting the trunk release
In-Reply-To: <5edafc1a0803282329y646166ftb78d41cdcf51b1ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5edafc1a0803261525y66cac339o8742a3bb33c151ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<74b8614e0803262336u74299b1ct88d7e177490cbf9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5edafc1a0803282329y646166ftb78d41cdcf51b1ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803290032y3f6a2dden2cb3708c8b4aa43e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Robert Keizer <kangaja at gmail.com> wrote:
> Friendly reminder that it still doesn't seem to be working..
>

Ah, yeah... I forgot.

It should be working now.

-
Stephan

From huggie at earth.li  Sat Mar 29 15:26:48 2008
From: huggie at earth.li (Simon Huggins)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:26:48 +0000
Subject: Status of xfburn
Message-ID: <20080329142648.GJ28693@paranoidfreak.co.uk>

What's the status of xfburn?

I see it's had some cleanups in SVN for newer libisofs but it'd be nice
if there was a release of recent SVN that was blessed by pollux/Xfce
devs.

I'd love to put a version of it that uses the new libburnia into Debian
but I'd rather not use an SVN snapshot if I can avoid it.

Simon.

-- 
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 oOoOo                j'y ai eu droit :)' #parinux                oOoOo
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From pollux at xfce.org  Sat Mar 29 15:54:17 2008
From: pollux at xfce.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois?= Wauthy)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:54:17 +0100
Subject: Status of xfburn
In-Reply-To: <20080329142648.GJ28693@paranoidfreak.co.uk>
References: <20080329142648.GJ28693@paranoidfreak.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1206802457.10789.4.camel@slytherin.p0llux.be>

Le samedi 29 mars 2008 ? 14:26 +0000, Simon Huggins a ?crit :
> What's the status of xfburn?
> 
It's still slowly under development, but mostly by David Mohr and Mario
Danic. 

> I see it's had some cleanups in SVN for newer libisofs but it'd be nice
> if there was a release of recent SVN that was blessed by pollux/Xfce
> devs.

When DVD support is considered releasable there will be a release but I
cannot provide any date estimation now.

> I'd love to put a version of it that uses the new libburnia into Debian
> but I'd rather not use an SVN snapshot if I can avoid it.

-- 
Jean-Fran?ois Wauthy <pollux at xfce.org>
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From damailings at mcbf.net  Sat Mar 29 16:04:37 2008
From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:04:37 -0600
Subject: Status of xfburn
In-Reply-To: <1206801157.10789.2.camel@slytherin.p0llux.be>
References: <20080329142648.GJ28693@paranoidfreak.co.uk>
	<1206801157.10789.2.camel@slytherin.p0llux.be>
Message-ID: <472d4b250803290804h49efe048y921e05f651e0ae69@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Jean-Fran?ois Wauthy <pollux at xfce.org> wrote:
>
>  Le samedi 29 mars 2008 ? 14:26 +0000, Simon Huggins a ?crit :
>
> > What's the status of xfburn?
>  >
>  It's still slowly under development, but mostly by David Mohr and Mario
>  Danic.
>
>
>  > I see it's had some cleanups in SVN for newer libisofs but it'd be nice
>  > if there was a release of recent SVN that was blessed by pollux/Xfce
>  > devs.
>
>  When DVD support is considered releasable there will be a release but I
>  cannot provide any date estimation now.

Date estimations are difficult :-) Sometimes I consider them a curse,
because when I say I'll get things done soon out loud, other stuff
just seems to creep up and keep me busy...
So right now I've updated the libisofs code, and I've updated the
image burning dialog. What is left to fix before a release is to get
burning a DVD compilation, and a welcome screen. So what would be
helpful if someone could test either burning data CDs, or CD/DVD
images.

>  > I'd love to put a version of it that uses the new libburnia into Debian
>  > but I'd rather not use an SVN snapshot if I can avoid it.
>
>  --
>  Jean-Fran?ois Wauthy <pollux at xfce.org>
>

~David

From afb at algonet.se  Sat Mar 29 16:10:17 2008
From: afb at algonet.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:10:17 +0100
Subject: Xfce 4.4.2 in MacPorts
Message-ID: <1E036A31-1EB7-4F68-AF02-5FC74B33A97B@algonet.se>


Long overdue, but now Xfce 4.2.4 has been updated to Xfce 4.4.2 in  
MacPorts.

http://macports.org/
sudo port install xfce

And now you can run Xfce in Darwin using X11, even full-screen if you  
like.

--anders

PS. Needed to patch Terminal/Thunar, since it was creating a never- 
ending
symlink loop for /opt/local/bin/thunar -> Thunar (case-insensitive HFS+)


From enrico.troeger at uvena.de  Sun Mar 30 16:29:24 2008
From: enrico.troeger at uvena.de (Enrico =?UTF-8?B?VHLDtmdlcg==?=)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:29:24 +0200
Subject: Deprecated keys and values in desktop files
Message-ID: <20080330162924.e0949b99.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>

Hi,

I just noticed that some .desktop files of Xfce apps use some
deprecated keys and values(mostly the key "Encoding").

I checked it with
find . -name \*.desktop -exec desktop-file-validate {} \;
in my $prefix/share/applications directory.
Attached is a list with the output only of these apps which I have
installed, there might be even more.
xfbib has even an error in its .desktop file.

Of course, there are generally worse things to do but these things can
also be fixed in a minute.

Regards,
Enrico

P.S.: Please don't tell me to open bug reports for each single package
with a warning. I know it would be the better way but there are too
many packages. I hope this will also help a bit to catch developers'
eyes on this ;-).

-- 
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From corsac at debian.org  Sun Mar 30 20:50:23 2008
From: corsac at debian.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:50:23 +0200
Subject: Deprecated keys and values in desktop files
In-Reply-To: <20080330162924.e0949b99.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
References: <20080330162924.e0949b99.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
Message-ID: <1206903023.9625.23.camel@hidalgo>

On dim, 2008-03-30 at 16:29 +0200, Enrico Tr?ger wrote:
> P.S.: Please don't tell me to open bug reports for each single package
> with a warning. I know it would be the better way but there are too
> many packages. I hope this will also help a bit to catch developers'
> eyes on this ;-).

The thing is, there's a lot of chance this will be forgotten if no bugs
are opened.
-- 
Yves-Alexis
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From david.s.gustafsson at gmail.com  Sun Mar 30 21:41:20 2008
From: david.s.gustafsson at gmail.com (David Gustafsson)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:41:20 +0200
Subject: Deprecated keys and values in desktop files
In-Reply-To: <20080330162924.e0949b99.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
References: <20080330162924.e0949b99.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
Message-ID: <489c9bf90803301241q6e9458cfu1c1671287c786fde@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Enrico Tr?ger <enrico.troeger at uvena.de>
wrote:

> xfbib has even an error in its .desktop file.
>
> Of course, there are generally worse things to do but these things can
> also be fixed in a minute.
>

Thanks for the information. The desktop file for xfbib has now been updated
in svn.

Best regards
David
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From stephan at xfce.org  Sun Mar 30 21:45:19 2008
From: stephan at xfce.org (Stephan Arts)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:45:19 +0200
Subject: desktop-file pre-commit hook.
Message-ID: <74b8614e0803301245p49815239u84d510df6706bc13@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

In a response to the mail from enrico, I was wondering. Could we add a
pre-commit hook on .desktop files just like we do for .po files?

Regards,

Stephan

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Mar 31 20:01:56 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:56 -0700
Subject: Deprecated keys and values in desktop files
In-Reply-To: <1206903023.9625.23.camel@hidalgo>
References: <20080330162924.e0949b99.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
	<1206903023.9625.23.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <20080331110156.5161359a@kepler>

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:50:23 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:

> On dim, 2008-03-30 at 16:29 +0200, Enrico Tr?ger wrote:
> > P.S.: Please don't tell me to open bug reports for each single
> > package with a warning. I know it would be the better way but there
> > are too many packages. I hope this will also help a bit to catch
> > developers' eyes on this ;-).
> 
> The thing is, there's a lot of chance this will be forgotten if no
> bugs are opened.

... and patches attached ^_~.

	-b

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Mar 31 20:03:15 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:03:15 -0700
Subject: desktop-file pre-commit hook.
In-Reply-To: <74b8614e0803301245p49815239u84d510df6706bc13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74b8614e0803301245p49815239u84d510df6706bc13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080331110315.664ad1f4@kepler>

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:45:19 +0200 Stephan Arts wrote:

> In a response to the mail from enrico, I was wondering. Could we add a
> pre-commit hook on .desktop files just like we do for .po files?

Sure: write one ^_^.   Be sure to handle both .desktop and .desktop.in
files, and to handle the underscore prefix on keys in .desktop.in files
^_~.

	-b

From enrico.troeger at uvena.de  Mon Mar 31 20:12:57 2008
From: enrico.troeger at uvena.de (Enrico =?UTF-8?B?VHLDtmdlcg==?=)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:12:57 +0200
Subject: Deprecated keys and values in desktop files
In-Reply-To: <20080331110156.5161359a@kepler>
References: <20080330162924.e0949b99.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>
	<1206903023.9625.23.camel@hidalgo> <20080331110156.5161359a@kepler>
Message-ID: <20080331201257.03571b1d.enrico.troeger@uvena.de>

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:56 -0700, "Brian J. Tarricone"
<bjt23 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:50:23 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> 
> > On dim, 2008-03-30 at 16:29 +0200, Enrico Tr?ger wrote:
> > > P.S.: Please don't tell me to open bug reports for each single
> > > package with a warning. I know it would be the better way but
> > > there are too many packages. I hope this will also help a bit to
> > > catch developers' eyes on this ;-).
> > 
> > The thing is, there's a lot of chance this will be forgotten if no
> > bugs are opened.
> 
> ... and patches attached ^_~.

Oh come on. I generally support the idea of using a bug tracker for
problems, feature requests and patches.
But in this case, I was really hoping it's enough to bring it up here,
assumung that a few devs actually reading the list (more than once in
a month) and fix a single line in a single file instantly.
Do you really need a patch for one line, which is so obvious?

Not that I'm not want to, but as you can see on output attached in my
first mail, several packages are affected and creating bug reports for
each package with a patch attached for each package is too much work
for me, sorry.

Furthermore, I noticed it doesn't make much difference between using
the mailing list or the bugzilla, bugs and patches are sometimes
ignored on both ;-(.

Regards,
Enrico

-- 
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From nickschermer at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 22:53:55 2008
From: nickschermer at gmail.com (Nick Schermer)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:53:55 +0200
Subject: [Xfce4-commits] r26700 - mousepad/branches/nick_0_3/po
In-Reply-To: <20080331114616.54BF3F29D8@mocha.foo-projects.org>
References: <20080331114616.54BF3F29D8@mocha.foo-projects.org>
Message-ID: <4abe35490803311353y11f76de1mfa37217d4f7dfe6d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/3/31, Mike Massonnet <mmassonnet at xfce.org>:
> Author: mmassonnet
>  Date: 2008-03-31 11:46:16 +0000 (Mon, 31 Mar 2008)
>  New Revision: 26700
>
>  Added:
>    mousepad/branches/nick_0_3/po/fr.po
>  Modified:
>    mousepad/branches/nick_0_3/po/ChangeLog
>    mousepad/branches/nick_0_3/po/LINGUAS
>  Log:

I don't want any translations in my branch. It's not finished yet and
people can start translating when it moves to trunk.

Nick

From bjt23 at cornell.edu  Mon Mar 31 23:40:31 2008
From: bjt23 at cornell.edu (Brian J. Tarricone)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:40:31 -0700
Subject: Deprecated keys and values in desktop files
I