<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/4/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stephan Arts</b> <<a href="mailto:stephan@xfce.org">stephan@xfce.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Parent-post: ^_~<br> <br> <br> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> From: Vikram Vaka <<a href="mailto:vikram.vaka@gmail.com">vikram.vaka@gmail.com</a>><br> Date: Sun, May 4, 2008 at 4:51 AM<br> Subject: Reasons to develop an easy to install All in One version of<br>
Xubuntu Hardy Heron for the Playstation 3<br> To: <a href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Yellow Dog Linux and Ubuntu currently do have a decent version out for<br> the PS3. But both are ridiculously slow due to the PS3's meager 256mbs<br>
of ram. Xubuntu is light years ahead of YDL and Ubuntu in how fast it<br> runs on the PS3 inspite of the ram limitations. I have known many<br> people who installed YDL or Ubuntu on the PS3 as their first exposure<br> to linux only to be turned off by how slowly it ran.<br>
<br> But Xubuntu despite being by and far the fastest distro one can<br> install on the PS3, doesn't recognize any of the PS3's components when<br> you install it initially.<br> <br> It is possible to get the PS3's WiFi card, Blu Ray drive, Soundcard<br>
and audio, Bluetooth, Six Axis, popular Bluetooth Keyboards and Mice,<br> memory cards, xvid and divx codecs working on Xubuntu. It's possible<br> to get rid of the black bars that show up on the current Xbuntu PS3<br>
version when viewed on any hdtv. And it's possible to maximize the<br> 256mbs of ram on the PS3 by disabling all the services running by<br> default on the PS3 that aren't absolutely necessary.<br> <br> The link below shows exactly how to do much of that…<br>
<br> <a href="http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=904">http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=904</a><br> <br> But this process is extremely complex for people who have very little<br> experience with linux. It's a pain even for people such as myself to<br>
have to do all of that to get Xubuntu on the PS3 with it's WiFi<br> internet working out of the box.<br> <br> Furthermore new people trying linux on the PS3 will be extremely<br> frustrated when they can't get the operating system running at 1080i<br>
(far superior to 720p in my personal experience) on their hdtv because<br> they didn't know to do the following when installing Xubuntu…<br> <br> <a href="http://psubuntu.com/installation-instructions/setup/">http://psubuntu.com/installation-instructions/setup/</a><br>
<br> If you listed these commands when you first launch the install cd<br> recommending 1080i and 1080p at 60hz for US TVs and 1080i and 1080p<br> at 50hz for Australian TVs. You would save a whole ton of people a lot<br>
of headaches.<br> <br> So please put together a PS3 version of Xbuntu that lets you select<br> the resolution of your monitor when you install it and that has PS3's<br> WiFi card, Blu Ray drive, Soundcard, Bluetooth, Six Axis, divx and<br>
xvid codecs and popular Bluetooth Keyboards and Mice working out of<br> the box.<br> <br> Why force 20 million people to each have to go through all these steps<br> to get their PS3's WiFi card and other components working when you<br>
could make a version that comes with the appropriate drivers already.<br> <br> The standard hardware of all PS3s makes this extremely easy to<br> implement and the cell possessor its something to powerful to run<br> linux on it. When people find out that they can easily through a no<br>
hassile install turn their PS3 into one of the fastest and cheapest<br> computers on the market, many PS3 owners will try out linux on it and<br> be exposed to Xubuntu for the very first time.<br> <br> If your PS3 build came prepackaged with drivers for PS3's components<br>
like YDL does, you could easily become the definitive linux to install<br> on a PS3. You could reach 20 million homes immediately, and many more<br> to come. You would be doing a massive favor to both PS3 owners<br> everywhere (by having an all in one PS3 linux distro that's not<br>
incredibly slow like YDL is) and to the linux community at large (by<br> exposing many more people to a version linux that's lightning fast and<br> smooth as butter).<br> <br> To put this all together, here is a list of features such an all in<br>
one PS3 version of Xubuntu needs to have…<br> <br> Menu asking for the highest resolution your tv can support,<br> <br> Built In Drivers For WiFi,<br> <br> Drivers for Bluetooth and SixAxis,<br> <br> Drivers for the Bluray Drive,<br>
<br> Drivers for popular Bluetooth Keyboards & Mice,<br> <br> Drivers for PS3's memory card reader,<br> <br> Drivers for PS3's audio and general TV Speakers,<br> <br> Xvid & DivX Codecs and a media player,<br>
<br> Launcher on the desktop that Reboots into PS3 Menu by executing the<br> command boot-game-os<br> <br> A Fix To Get Rid of Black Bars Displayed On HDTVs – When you install<br> Xubuntu, you see blackbars all around,<br>
<br> Don't have any services running in the background by default that<br> aren't absolutely necessary as the PS3 only has 256 mbs of ram<br> <br> Someway To Let You Rename The Title of Every Single Program On The<br>
Menu & if possible perhaps even Create New Folders in the Menu & Sort<br> Programs Into Different Folders In the same way that windows lets you<br> completely customize and reorganize the program names on the start<br>
menu,<br> <br> Some Included Application That Lets You Reskin The OS To Customize How<br> It Looks if and only if a quality application that lets you do that<br> exists.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ------------What does the linux community have to gain by doing<br>
this?---------------<br> <br> There are already over 20 million PS3 owners, and many more to come.<br> I estimate that there are more PlayStation 3 machines in people's<br> home's than PPC and intel macs combined. By taking full advantage of<br>
this, Ubuntu could theoretically grow to a larger market share than<br> mac OSX, which would put it on the proverbial radar in a very serious<br> way.<br> <br> As of now both the Ubuntu PS3 port and the Xubuntu ports are<br>
struggling. I would love it if you guys reassess the value of this<br> port and really throw your might behind creating one ultimate hardy<br> heron release. Not only that, but I think Xuibuntu should use the<br> opportunity to implement a few features that could make it the best<br>
gaming OS on earth, such as qjoypad integration and a gaming-mode<br> wherein all processes not related to the task at hand are hibernated<br> to swap while a game or, say, fullscreen blender, runs.<br> <br> Windows is why people are running from the PC for their gaming. Let<br>
them run to linux. Let them not be disappointed. ...Let them wonder<br> why they even bother with windows.<br> <br> In addition, Sony has done something great by letting us use the PS3<br> to run linux's own code. Let them be envied for it.<br>
<br> What can linux's devs lose by developing Xubuntu for the PS3? Maybe<br> countless people around the world using Xubuntu on the most powerful<br> computer out there? If Xubuntu isn't there for the PS3, everyone will<br>
turn to YellowDog and Ubuntu, which are only slightly more functional,<br> and incredibly slow due to the ram limitations. There are very few<br> people who retain hope for PS3 version of Xubuntu.<br> <br> I'm not just saying this is an opportunity. I'm saying this is a good<br>
opportunity, and a relatively exclusive opportunity. To miss it would<br> be terrible. Not that we will. Those of us with PS3's are making do<br> with what we have... but the lack of real support really will have<br>
slowed us down in taking advantage of the situation.<br> <br> <br> Furthermore, you guys are our best hope of negotiating the unlocking<br> of the RSX. If that happens, linux will be in direct competition with<br> the PS3's gaming OS. If you guys care to compete, and we make<br>
something better, well, what would that say about gaming on linux?<br> People have PS3's. Did anyone think they just might want to try<br> tremulous, apricot, warsow, urbanterror, nexuiz, openarena, and so on<br> and so forth on them? How else is that going to happen? PS3 owners are<br>
humans too. And they're a lot more likely to try linux on their PS3<br> than their PC, I would think.<br> <br> <br> EVERY SINGLE guy I know who owns a PS3 told me that he wants to use<br> his PS3 as a surfing/office/entertainment machine and has heard that<br>
there are ways to put another OS on it and that they want to get rid<br> of a PC in their living room because it's too loud and too big and<br> they need it for news and surfing and stuff like that, but would like<br>
to just have only a PS3 they already own with possibilities of a<br> simple living-room-pc. I think that a simple installation of Xubuntu<br> on a PS3 would give a great market share for Xubuntu and PS3-Users<br> would love to have an linux os that is not slowed to a crawl by the<br>
PS3's meager 256 mbs of ram.</blockquote><div><br>OK, that sounds like a message for xubuntu-devel :P <br><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a><br>
<br>Though I predict that it's not going to happen. Xubuntu is already lacking manpower. The PS3 is very much an edge use case. Right, 20 million people might use a PS3, but consider how many people are using a PC and how many actually run a Linux distribution, let alone Xubuntu.<br>
<br>If you like, you could see if you can create your own PS3 version of Xubuntu, but Xubuntu is a volunteer project with a shortage in manpower.<br><br>Then again, I should probably save this reply for the xubuntu-devel mailinglist, so please post it there ^_~ (yeah, I just used a Japanese smiley!)<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Cody A.W. Somerville<br> <<a href="mailto:cody-somerville@ubuntu.com">cody-somerville@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Where can I find the parent post?<br> ><br> > It should be noted that Xubuntu can already run on the PS3.<br> ><br> > Cheers,<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Stephan Arts <<a href="mailto:stephan@xfce.org">stephan@xfce.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Vikram Vaka <<a href="mailto:vikram.vaka@gmail.com">vikram.vaka@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > ><br> > > ><br>
> > > <snip><br> > ><br> > > Ok, great.<br> > ><br> > > When I take a look at your feature-list, none of them are Xfce related.<br> > > So, here comes my question:<br> > ><br>
> > 'What does all this have to do with xfce?!'<br> > ><br> > > -<br> > > Stephan<br> _______________________________________________<br> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
<a href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Vincent